Thread: YAY middle class F*CKED again !!

i like being able to have guns but all guns should be registered and have a round fired and entered into the registry.... this also means the second you notice your gun is gone you report it stolen.

i hear ya. Thats basically the only reason you guys exist.

I mean i like our system better because it means we're stronger as a nation.

The downfall of your freedoms is that you are letting people fall behind and then wondering why no one helps you when you start to fall behind. Only a little ironic?

its not that, its that you let the poor fall behind and then when the definition of "the poor" changes, you dont care, the poor should have gotten jobs and stopped being hippies.

Another big issue is credit and financial management, most people dont even know what those really mean.

Canada isn't much better, our welfare system basically encourages you to stay on welfare because when you're off it you have to work 40-45 hours a week to get paid maybe 300-350 a week after taxes.

get two people collecting welfare and they split an apartment then they're set for life basically.

Originally Posted by 03GTPLE

umm, well, for those that bought their homes in 2008, they knew they had to pay the money back. Typically $500/year taken from your taxes. When I was looking for a home in late 2008 and bought in 2009, that was the main focus on the timing of the tax credit.

The folks that have to pay back the money know they have to pay it back.

I will start back with this I disagree with what your saying a little. If 100% of the people KNEW they'd have to pay the money back and NOT get the "tax credit" Ill dare say less houses would have been sold. This is like trading a vehicle in and supposed to get 5k for it then all of a sudden the bank adds on the 5K to your new auto loan. If you knew that 5K in this care was going to be added on would you have bought the new car??? Maybe Maybe not! If your right and people knew that they had to pay it back then they got what they had comming. However I have a feeling a much much more likely case was this was a plan to boost the lousey housing market in the first place and get people to buy homes. After all isnt owning a home with a white picked fence the American Dream??? Ill end on this note. It USED to be!!!!!

Originally Posted by TorqueAutoMotiv

i understand that thats why i am against welfare,section8,foodstamps,medical aid
Unless you have payed into the system you shouldnt be eligable
We also must adress the illegals issue they get these services and there are many "sanctuary" states that basically offer tons of services for them
Unfortunatly the rich are rich and the poor are forgotten
they move our jobs out of country cause labor and regulations easiers to get around foriegn trade is also an issue
plus the fact that we are entitled society and we have to keep up with the jones's

I disagree also that the programs such as welfare, food stamps, heating and housing assistance ect. ARE needed!! But this is what needs to change. Those programs CANNOT be a crutch to live on generation after generation! I came from a single parent household living in the cold midwest with my mother raising 3 kids. Without them programs we would have been screwed. But I can honest to God say that my mother worked to get better jobs and eventually opens a daycare where we went from not having food and being on programs to getting reimbursed for the food in our house by the daycare programs that she had to abide by to run it in the 1st place.
Your 2nd statement about the illegals is also a huge problem in the midwest were I live because of all the farming communities. If they hire illegal help which they do every year they should have massive fines put against them. After all where I live the farmers have the biggest houses, brand new fleet of trucks and ride brand new snowmobiles and Id say easily 75% have lake homes worth more than their regular homes. Now whos raping the system??
Your last statement about the rich getting richer and the poor being forgot is hard to argue with. But I am all for huge breaks on people starting new businesses. That would in turn employ others. I 100% believe that people should make no less than 10 dollar and hour. People make more they buy more its that simple. Im also for breaks on imcomes up to a certian tax bracket because middle class and below simply cannot afford to have the same amount taken from their taxes as the wealthy. Which is also why I favor a nationwide sales tax and no federal tax. States can keep their state tax but Nationwide sales tax. Everyone plays everyone pays!