Recent Header Group Buy

**07redgpgt** · 02-28-2010

We all thought we were getting the ssac KOs when we ordered including the person who ordered on behalf of us. It wasn't untell we recieved our conformation e-mails that we knew we were getting these pacesetter KOs. But still 180 for a set of headers u couldn't really pass it up. So now those of us who have tried to install them know they they won't bolt up "out of the box". Which was almost 99.9% expected but, they can be fabbed to work if ppl want to spend the extra time and money to make them work.Then it would be a really good deal.

But fab work is necessary for almost 75% of headers on the market today. I would rather cough up the money for something that has been proven many many times to fit without fab work. Also I do not believe the person who ordered for us had ANY KNOWLEDGE that this was gonna happen like it did. That is just my $.02

**rolyat** · 02-28-2010

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

You of all people KNOW that they weren't the SSAC knock off's and you said SO IN THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD. I just called it how I see it and now your panties are all in a bunch because your gonna have a whole bunch of people all pissed because you got them talked into something that doesn't work. I for one would be beyond pissed. I posted a thread about the Speed Daddy headers a month or so ago...not my problem you guys fell for the old bait and switch tactics.

Dude, you are an idiot. I didn't even start this thread till after the buy (which I had nothing to do with starting the buy) was over, and I had no knowledge of these being pacesetter ko's at that point... would you like to try again?

**07redgpgt** · 02-28-2010

I would also like to thank Killa again for making A great effort in putting all this together. I hope those of you who are willing to do the cutting, and welding, and grinding to make them work end up being very happy with these headers. For those of us who are not willing to do the large amounts of extra work. I hope we can get our money back as promised.

**minichopper6hp** · 02-28-2010

Again, if the front header hits the trans, its just not worth it. You can still buy the obx ones and mod the crossover, at least they could work.

**Jrodgp** · 02-28-2010

If it is the exact same design as pacesetters, yes it required modification, but it will most def. fit. I have pacesetters and it required an extra hour of machining because a bolt didn't line up or something (my uncle did them I had to work) but they will fit and are totally worth the extra effort. He said he had to be extremely finesse with them to get them in and were a *****, but in the end I have headers for 200 dollars with no leaks at all. Sorry, plus 20 bucks for high temp paint

My crossover does just barely clear the trans case but there has been no problems at all and the paint is even holding up really nice against the NY winters.

**blueguy** · 02-28-2010

Originally Posted by Jrodgp

If it is the exact same design as pacesetters, yes it required modification, but it will most def. fit. I have pacesetters and it required an extra hour of machining because a bolt didn't line up or something (my uncle did them I had to work) but they will fit and are totally worth the extra effort. He said he had to be extremely finesse with them to get them in and were a *****, but in the end I have headers for 200 dollars with no leaks at all. Sorry, plus 20 bucks for high temp paint

My crossover does just barely clear the trans case but there has been no problems at all and the paint is even holding up really nice against the NY winters.

These are knock off's of the Pacesetter design...do you not read? I have them too and I know they fit...I had mine all welded up but the actual ones these members are getting are nothing CLOSE to fitting.

**Jrodgp** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

These are knock off's of the Pacesetter design...do you not read? I have them too and I know they fit...I had mine all welded up but the actual ones these members are getting are nothing CLOSE to fitting.

I obviously did read because I said If they are the exact same design of pace setters. Meaning they copied the design which in turn is a knock off, but it should be the exact design if done properly. I don't need the attitude I just wanted to understand the situation maybe I could have been of some help because I have pacesetters and these are supposed to be that design. Don't understand why you gotta be such a dickhead bro its a forum about cars...

**blueguy** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by Jrodgp

I obviously did read because I said If they are the exact same design of pace setters. Meaning they copied the design which in turn is a knock off, but it should be the exact design if done properly. I don't need the attitude I just wanted to understand the situation maybe I could have been of some help because I have pacesetters and these are supposed to be that design. Don't understand why you gotta be such a dickhead bro its a forum about cars...

Don't know why you have type me a book there...I know how you feel...not like your the only guy that has ever been screwed over, trust me. I just figured with 8 pages or whatever of a thread that you would have seen that somewhere. On the header subject though...maybe people have tried the Pacesetter design...even the Pacesetter's themselves have many issues...the knock off ones...even after this supposed "new" mold they were given...were just the horrib EBay ones that run right into the bell housing.

**copperpacecar** · 03-02-2010

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

Don't know why you have type me a book there...I know how you feel...not like your the only guy that has ever been screwed over, trust me. I just figured with 8 pages or whatever of a thread that you would have seen that somewhere. On the header subject though...maybe people have tried the Pacesetter design...even the Pacesetter's themselves have many issues...the knock off ones...even after this supposed "new" mold they were given...were just the horrib EBay ones that run right into the bell housing.

first off..having nothing to do with the quote...wtf guys..isnt the point of gpf to share info and help each other...i meant to read the whole thread but couldnt cause all u people r doing is bad mouthing and yelling at each other....if u arent on topic please shut up as some of us would like to learn and figure out whats what..
that said...blue u and minni seem to me to be the most knowledgeable on this subject..idk..so if u could please due tell us where we should go for good cheap headers...if not these pacesetter knockoffs what do u prefer and where do we get them at
for the rest of u..good luck with your headers or returns or whatever. that sucks! hopefully if u can get your money back and if someone can share where and what to buy we can all end up with something better

**Joe m** · 02-28-2010

jrod... these lay ON THE TRANS. no close about it lol. i have my dna headers in box and will be shipping back tues morn when ups comes out to my bfe house.. and my ssac's arrive on wen-thurs. f the 200 dollar crap dont be stingy and pay the extra 150 for good ones.

**killakross5o4** · 02-28-2010

yes these dont fit..i spent along time cutting and welding to finally make them fit...i am going to see if DNA will send us the SSAC KO's in exchange....since that is what they were suppose to be in the first place...sorry for all the people who think i missed lead them....i didnt mean to...

**minichopper6hp** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by killakross5o4

yes these dont fit..i spent along time cutting and welding to finally make them fit...i am going to see if DNA will send us the SSAC KO's in exchange....since that is what they were suppose to be in the first place...sorry for all the people who think i missed lead them....i didnt mean to...

Pics?

**vailskier3** · 03-01-2010

and what about the shipping costs back to dna? who pays that? because i was assured that these headers would fit. i was not informed that i was going to have to buy them, pay for shipping back to dna, and then buy another set. i'm not trying to be a dick, but i just don't see how that is fair. its not really a 'deal' when you have to A. just end up getting another set, or B. fab the heck out of them to make them fit.

**silverstreak** · 03-01-2010

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**Deathwish99** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by silverstreak

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Your satisfaction is of the utmost concern to us. Should a need arise to return an item that you have purchased, we will be happy to refund your purchase price or offer an exchange (we cannot refund the original shipping or return shipping fee). Please e-mail us in advance to obtain an RMA number (Return Merchandise Authorization) and return instructions. All items should be returned within 10 days of receiving, must be in their original condition (not worn or altered).
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...or maybe David (Killa) should pay?

**silverstreak** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by Deathwish99

...or maybe David (Killa) should pay?

Is David (Killa) part owner of DNA/Speed Daddy ? Did he not organize this thinking and being told that these headers would fit? Am I missing something here? How the **** is he responsible?

**Bio248** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by Deathwish99

...or maybe David (Killa) should pay?

that's uncalled for. you knowingly bought a questionable set of headers. he owes you nothing.

**gtpinsc** · 03-01-2010

Originally Posted by Deathwish99

...or maybe David (Killa) should pay?

stop crying... he went out of his way to get a deal on a group buy for u guys... im sure he spent alotta time on the phone and emails to get this thing going for the community. did he gain anything in this ordeal? NO!, hes in the same boat ur in.

**froman** · 03-05-2010

Alright guys, sounds like what I thought was going to happen, happened. Most of these knockoff headers are made at the same plants in china. I'm still pretty certain that these are made at the same plant that OBX is made. They have the same fitment issues and to me they look almost exactly the same. Also, seems kinda fishy that OBX headers arent on ebay anymore and speeddaddy and DNA just suddenly pop up with headers for sale. I also can garuandamntee you that these headers are not made in the US. I'm sorry that you guys bought a bunch of paperweights after getting the ole switcheroo, hope the refunds go through ok.

**silverstreak** · 03-05-2010

Originally Posted by froman

Alright guys, sounds like what I thought was going to happen, happened. Most of these knockoff headers are made at the same plants in china. I'm still pretty certain that these are made at the same plant that OBX is made. They have the same fitment issues and to me they look almost exactly the same. Also, seems kinda fishy that OBX headers arent on ebay anymore and speeddaddy and DNA just suddenly pop up with headers for sale. I also can garuandamntee you that these headers are not made in the US. I'm sorry that you guys bought a bunch of paperweights after getting the ole switcheroo, hope the refunds go through ok.

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