Thread: oil squirters for pistons

has anyoe heard this being doen to a 3800, I know they do it to high horse high boost 2JZGE engines....

I have a few videos of it...just wondering how hard it would be to do to a 3800.

Lord have mercy, I would LOVE to see something like this for the 3800. Ive never seen it on a 3800, in fact Ive never even heard it really talked about. I would think that ZZP or Wbody store would have come up with something by now. Perhaps they dont see it as something that is needed on a 3800. Its ashame really cause there are things that NEED to be done and then there are things like this that would just help overall longevity that would be good to have. Though, I think the complexity of it would necessitate the work be done by a machine shop.

I'd imagine they make a set of piston squirter's for a 350 that could be converted/used in our block, all a squirter does is tap the oil galley sprays up, so should be possible.....James would know for sure though

Edit: and as far as complexity, if you have access to the engine internals(engine out of car) it should nt be too hard; drill, tap, bolt, and aim

Well I would be 'concerned' with proper placement and so forth. You are correct though, James I think would be the one with the info. Where has he been, I havent seen him around here for a bit?

Don't want to be a rain cloud on your parade but I don't think it would be worth the risk considering we don't have an oiling problem to our pistons be it for lube or cooling properties. This was brought up before many years ago on clubgp and the cons out weighed the pros for our set up.

It can be done, and would work yes modifying a kit for a different engine to make it work on ours. But doing it wrong, or overlooking something where it may come loose and get into your rotating assembly, or worse let, bleeds your engine of pressure and your bearings starve.

Only problem we have with out pistons is the tops chipping off. What that comes down to is the tight tolerances of the rings and many of them not being with in speck as well. Its fine for normal driving, but start building power and making more heat, and you can almost guarantee that the pistons will suffer big time. I started noticing this back in 2001 or 2002 when I started taking apart some of these engines and started noticing that the ring gaps varied big time. So so tight I was amazed the piston was not damaged.

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true....but heat is the bearer of that. Think Bonneville salt flats...... high heat, high boost(from Turbo) for a long period of time. even aftermarket pistons need additional cooling. this has worked for quite a long time with Toyota, and Lexus.

I am not sure if Nissan has developed their own on the Skyline o not....

another thought to our oil system is put in a better pump....or...

completely tear into the block and redo all the oil ports.

It has been discussed a few times to install a bigger oil pump that can deliver more volume, but the machining to the stock front cover would be expensive, or fabricating up a whole new case with a better design all together out weighs that project. The front covers are very cheaply made cast pop tin aluminum. Very low quality. They do not machine very nice, nor weld very nice.

But a cool thought none the less if your going for a new land speed record in a Grand Prix and will subject the motor to long running high RPM;s for quite some time. Like longer than 15-20 seconds, sure would be a good investment I would think.

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I think I can see both sides of this. And I dont think its always about the performance aspect. There's always the durability and safety margin. If it were all about go fast performance then I can see Farns stand point in that these motor dont seem to have much of an oiling issue nor have demonstrated necessarily a 'need' for oil squirters. However, I see UR LOSN's point too. It does help with keeping things cooler which gives you a bit of safety margin and would assuredly improve durabilty.

I rarely look at a modification purely in performance aspects. I try to take into account the effect on durability, mileage, driveability as well. My step-son is in that phase. How fast is it going to make it, will it be able to beat this and that. And Im trying to teach him my philosophy that its not always about performance. What good is all that performance if it leaves you stranded on the side of the road?

So, sure there are some complexities involved with putting oil squirters in something that doesnt already have them but how does that compare to any benefits? I personally plan on having my GP around for many many years and anything I can do that helps me balance that agaist the level of performance I want to achieve Im going to give consideration to.

You can ask anyone that has ever spoke to me via IM about modifications, I usually go into this long winded speech about the considerations and balance of performance and durability.

Originally Posted by SyntheticShield

I usually go into this long winded speech about the considerations and balance of performance and durability.

I myself too, but mostly its inside thought such as will buying this be justifiable to me or my car later down the road?

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Originally Posted by GR8racingfool

I myself too, but mostly its inside thought such as will buying this be justifiable to me or my car later down the road?

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And that is a very important consideration and a good point. From my perspective, however, I rarely turn down options that increase longevity/durability. But Im also an experimenter at heart and often willing to try something out just to gain the knowledge as to whether it works or not or what are the pros/cons. Ive been know to try some wacky things and some have turned out fairly well and others have flopped badly but Ive learned from all of them.

LOL

I Hear you there.

You will like my new project I am working on then. Its very hush hush till Branson, then I will open my hood and let everyone see it.

But as a hint...and the only hint...you will hear me before you see me with this new set up hopefully if all goes well.

Its going to be a one of a kind for our cars, and not another one out there like it, thats for sure. Maybe a kit will be made down the line if the prototype testing goes well.

Many will want it, that much I do know.

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Well, now that you got all our minds a racing....

mmmmmmmmm......racing

Farns....I have a wager for you. first one to make it down the track first at Branson (side by side of course) wins a double cheese burger from Mcdonalds!

LOL

Not a big fan of McDeath as we call it here. Though my brother did take me out to lunch there Wednesday this week as a matter of fact. I just stuck with the 1/4lb.-er myself.

~F~

what restaurants are in Branson?