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    thats the biggest issues. and id replace the external line with steel braided 3/4 line
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan GL View Post

    I want a strong bottom end that can take some punishment
    I look for that same quality in my women. Just saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyguy03 View Post
    I look for that same quality in my women. Just saying
    rofllmfao

    but the Block just got dropped off at the machine shop, owner of the machine shop was rather impressed with the project thus far and all the parts said i did great getting everything together (he is used to waiting on parts to arrive)

    and car is currently at the paintshop

    XPZ, Alum heads,150#, I/C, GEN V mps 3.0, N* TB CAI K&N fully built trans, JE pistons, L32 rods, Comp lifters, PRJ Fuel rails, 65# Injectors, elec pump, MSD wires, MSD coils, Alum control arms, AGX, vogtland, GMPP sway bars, rear trailing arms
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    So what do you guys think the max boost i can run with this setup could be? wanted to guess about 13-14* safely

    machine shop asked.

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    its an M90.

    What CR pistons did you buy?

    I'm curious why they want to know.

    Nothing I've seen suggests the boost level would change the tolerances required for the motor.

    Being boosted requires larger ring gap, and forged pistons requires larger ring gap.
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    i got the 8.5 ones

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    there will be plenty of boost then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt5112 View Post
    there will be plenty of boost then.
    but how many degrees ya think?

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    I don't know if you want a high boost blower. You should be fine telling them 14lbs
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    CR is a significant factor in how much boost you can run, but so is your dynamic compression ratio.

    So your cam (which has no known specs thus its impossible to calculate DCR), bore, stroke, rod length all help determine DCR.

    Simple way of looking at it is, cam lowers it, boost raises it.

    So look at what boost levels others running the XPZ use.

    Al heads wont matter in this equation because any increased compression you can run will already be imposed by their smaller combustion chamber.

    Might want to consider having an experienced machinist work your heads over a little, IIRC there is still room for improvement.


    As for timing, you need your peak pressure at a certain point.

    IIRC, you typically want 14-16 ATDC for most motors. Unsure on value for our motors.

    That depends on your combustion chamber design and a few other details.

    AFR and timing are closely related though.

    Richer you run, slower fuel burns, more timing you need to achieve same peak pressure point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt5112 View Post
    CR is a significant factor in how much boost you can run, but so is your dynamic compression ratio.

    So your cam (which has no known specs thus its impossible to calculate DCR), bore, stroke, rod length all help determine DCR.

    Simple way of looking at it is, cam lowers it, boost raises it.

    So look at what boost levels others running the XPZ use.

    Al heads wont matter in this equation because any increased compression you can run will already be imposed by their smaller combustion chamber.

    Might want to consider having an experienced machinist work your heads over a little, IIRC there is still room for improvement.


    As for timing, you need your peak pressure at a certain point.

    IIRC, you typically want 14-16 ATDC for most motors. Unsure on value for our motors.

    That depends on your combustion chamber design and a few other details.

    AFR and timing are closely related though.

    Richer you run, slower fuel burns, more timing you need to achieve same peak pressure point.
    i have one the best machine shop on the east coast building my bottom end.

    Godwin Singer Machine shop in St peters burg Florida, they have been around since 1940.. i am in great hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan GL View Post
    i have one the best machine shop on the east coast building my bottom end.

    Godwin Singer Machine shop in St peters burg Florida, they have been around since 1940.. i am in great hands
    Too bad your wallet isnt. Seriously not trying to hate. I can appreciate all the work going into the car but others have made 500 plus on stock bottom ends on turbo engines and your going SC route doubt youll make any kind of HP like that.
    Hope you crack 400 whp.
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    I personally really enjoy watching all the work you put into your car. New JE pistons and what not, people saying your wasting your money, but its your choice and your money. Your doing one hell of a build, and we can all agree on that. Its your money and not ours Id go the supercharged route over a turbo personally just because i love to hear the supercharger scream, even if i dont get as much power from it. just my opinion. Your car will be plenty quick when the build is done. Keep up the good work
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    X2. Do what U want. People hating cause they didn't have the money to spend on building a bottom end. If they did have the money, don't ya think they would have of?
    You did it right and will officially have a complete built motor. Not just half built like most people do.

    Props to your build!
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    No offense to Joe, but if I got shipped off to Iraq and got that extra bonus check I'd be spending it to, on other parts though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98GrandPrixIraqVet View Post
    Too bad your wallet isnt. Seriously not trying to hate. I can appreciate all the work going into the car but others have made 500 plus on stock bottom ends on turbo engines and your going SC route doubt youll make any kind of HP like that.
    Hope you crack 400 whp.
    I've seen too many chipped and cracked pistons to have a desire to keep the stock ones...

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    At what HP level? And plenty have thrown rod and cam bearings after rebuilding the engine, Im not hating on the build at all just askin why not run the bottom end until I gives up the ghost. My bet is other parts would fail before that bottom end. Either way like i said earlier hope you crack 400 whp and any plans do do E85 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyguy03 View Post
    X2. Do what U want. People hating cause they didn't have the money to spend on building a bottom end. If they did have the money, don't ya think they would have of?
    You did it right and will officially have a complete built motor. Not just half built like most people do.

    Props to your build!
    You realize that his whole "built" engine minus the heads cost less than a turbo build on a stock engine?
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    Exactly. Anyone can throw together a turbo and pray. I like how he is spending the clams and doing a solid build. Even after these cars are already aging. You don't see people these days doin that. They know motors cost 200-300 from the junkyard so if it blows, no biggie.
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