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    Hey all.. I've got a 2002 GPGT 3.8.. For a couple weeks now, when I start my car in the mornings, it idles sluggishly, and when I start driving, it acts like it isn't getting gas.. I push the gas pedal and it takes a few seconds for the car to respond. After it's been on the road a few minutes, it drives just fine. It is getting progressively worse, and even died on me yesterday. It took 4 tries to get it restarted, and then it drove great all day. I replaced the fuel filter yesterday, and this morning, it ran like crap again.
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    any check engine light on? but it sounds like fuel pump if you have already changed the filter.
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    Yes the check engine light is on.
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    if you know someone with a obd2 scanner get it checked out might help you determine where the problem is. if not autozone will scan it but you would have to get it there. it would be worth getting it scanned before throwing a fuel pump at it. incase it's a completely different issue. once you get a code i can help you out with what it could be.
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    I took my car to Auto Zone (it ran fine btw) and the code was a MAF sensor.. low intake.. The guy said that I could clean the MAF sensor with brake cleaner but it is a tamper proof sensor. So if you know, how is this done? My boyfriend drove it this morning while it was running badly.. It was struggling to go, like it wasn't getting gas, but then he hit a bump in the road and the car has been doing good the rest of the day.

    If the fuel pump is working right when the car is tested for the codes, will the code still show that the fuel pump is bad? We are going to test the fuel pressure in the morning while the car is running badly..

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    You most likely will need a new maf sensor or check the wiring to make sure it is not unplugged. The car is running weird because it detects that the maf has failed, it doesn't know exactly how much fuel to add when your driving it, it is going off of estimated values, some cars will run very bad, some just fine when this happens, but both ways end up with a bad idle at some point.
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    We just bought some MAF sensor cleaner, and cleaned the sensor real well. Got the security bits to get the sensor opened.. It is still running good, but we'll know in the morning if it fixed it or not. I sure hope it did but am pretty doubtful. We didn't get the fuel pressure gauge yet..
    I should add too, the MAF sensor was just replaced about 5000 miles ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica729 View Post
    We just bought some MAF sensor cleaner, and cleaned the sensor real well. Got the security bits to get the sensor opened.. It is still running good, but we'll know in the morning if it fixed it or not. I sure hope it did but am pretty doubtful. We didn't get the fuel pressure gauge yet..
    I should add too, the MAF sensor was just replaced about 5000 miles ago...
    is your MAF sensor an aftermarket sensor? What type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquifire View Post
    is your MAF sensor an aftermarket sensor? What type?
    How do I find this out? All I am sure of is that it is a remanufactured sensor.
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    good call on checking the fuel pressure.

    P0102 is caused by an abnormally low reading from the sensor. The few times I have seen it, the wires were loose or damaged causing the reading from that sensor to drop to nothing at abnormal times. otherwise the sensor itself is failing.

    if you are going to clean it use brake clean or air intake cleaner as it will evaporate. just make sure when spraying the MAF that you don't hit the wire that runs across the middle of it with the nozzle on the can.

    most likely though you will have to replace the sensor or repair a wire going to it.

    edit: fosh099 beat me to it lol
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    ick well it could be an issue with the wiring going to the maf as well with that code you were getting so the problem might be deeper.

    let us know how it goes in the morning.
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    how can you check the values of a MAF sensor
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    you can check the values of a MAF sensor with a tuner... ie look for someone in your area with a PowrTuner or HPT.... then scan and let it idle and watch the values.
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    well.........we really dont know what it is at this point, it could be a lot of things....next time the car is running like crap get out and unplug the MAF...if it gets better then this is most likely your problem. If it does not, then it has a good chance that your issue is not being the MAF.....
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    I got a ride to work today.. I didn't want to take the chance of being late, and stranded. I priced a new MAF sensor today and plan to buy one tomorrow. I started my car today, it sounded like crap... So I turned it off, unplugged the sensor, and she started right up. I figure since I'm getting an error code telling me my MAF is having issues, I'll just replace it. If it fixes the issue, great. If not, I guess I'll fix something else. I'll let you all know when I get the new MAF.
    Thank you a lot. Because of you all, I'm pretty much convinced my fuel pump isn't bad and 220 bucks is a lot of money to spend on something that isn't broken. lol

    Have a safe and fun weekend to all of you.
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    Well, I went to the lake house this weekend, and the best part?? I drove. Yep, she's a'runnin again. It was the MAF sensor just like most of u thought. I got it from a friend of mine at Carquest and he said the one I had on there came from a salvage yard... and then remanufactured. Anyways, I just wanted to pop in and let everyone know, and once again, say thank you all!! This website is wonderful. Ya'll have a great Labor day!
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    congrats..........glad to hear it is running good. I also use carquest when possible, they seem to have quality parts that work long term, not just a cheap quick fix. Their window regulator/motors have worked well for me.
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