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  1. #1 1998 grand prix gtp 0-100 km in 9.5 seconds diagnosis 
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    Hi guys,

    I recently bought a 1998 grand prix gtp with about 230,000 km (140,000 mi) that is very lightly modified. Mostly just aesthetics done but it has a DIY open cone filter, 180 tstat and custom exhaust but that's all at this point. The car runs quite well and hasn't given me many problems (besides evap P0440 CEL coming up once a tank of gas and goes off once i open the gas cap to let it depressurize). It feels quite powerful (compared to my 97 civic I used to have so that's not saying much haha). So I decided I'd time it's 0-100 km for fun. I read that new they would get around 6.6 seconds so I was expecting around 7 or 7.5 due to the loss of power over time but NOPE, I got 9.75 seconds. So i decided to run some royal purple, twice. Afterwards I re-timed it 3 times and the best time was 9.5 seconds.. i was told the spark plugs and wires were new so they should be good but I'm not sure what else I can do to regain lost power or diagnose what's causing it. I'm very new to cars but I didn't think old age would cause it to gain 3 seconds.. my dad's ford fusion with a 2.5L is faster than it! Any tips or hints on things I should check for replacement or any other ways to gain back this power? All opinions are welcome, thanks guys!
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    clean the throttle body.
    replace the fuel filter.
    clean the maf sensor
    replace the pcv valve
    replace the upstream O2 sensor
    check and see what kinda plugs were actually put in the car. these cars don't like platinum.
    put the 195 tstat back in if the pcm isn't programmed for a 180
    get headers or get a 3 inch downpipe with a high flow cat and a plog from zzp
    buy a new gas cap and look for vacuum leaks.

    here is a vacuum diagram...inspect all those hoses for cracks.
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    I hope you are running 91+ octane fuel like the owners manual says too.

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    Status update:

    Thanks for the ton of information EHBGoober, so far I have replaced the pcv valve (kinda dirty so made it run a little smoother I've noticed, might be my imagination though) and cleaned MAF (looked quite clean already, no noticible difference). I've looked a little at all the hoses you told me to check but I will take them all off to do a thorough check this weekend. Also I double checked and sadly the previous owner put in titanium spark plugs but I have autolite 104's scheduled to be delivered by Monday. Do you have any advice or write ups on taking off the throttle body for cleaning?I'm a little confused on that part. I have also bought a new gas cap (first thing I did after I got the code originally) and that made no difference. Also I was under the impression (read somewhere on zzp) that the pcm isn't affected by the thermostat at all or am I wrong about this? I do notice the fans turn on after 180 now so it's working from what I'm aware.

    Also Fivefingerdeathpunch I usually run 94 but if I'm strapped for cash I switch over to 91 (only done once so far).
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    Running either 91 or 94 is fine, it really doesnt matter. As long as it's 91+.

    Throttle body removal is very simple. Just take the throttle cables off and unplug the IAC, TPS and MAF sensor, remove air intake tube, then remove the 3 bolts holding the TB to the supercharger. Then you can clean it off the car and make sure not to damage the honey comb MAF screen on the front of the TB, that is needed to smooth the air flow acrosss the MAF sensor.

    Also, make sure you have a spare TB gasket handy as it's likely to be ruined when you remove it as it's a paper gasket.

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    Thats good. Ive notice my mileage is alot better on 94 so ive been spending a little extra to use that. Wow thank you so much. I haven't found anything in detail like that online. Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to give it a clean. What tool or technique would you say is best to be used to clean the TB without damaging those honey comb MAF screens?
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    that screen is held in with a spring clip around the outer lip ot the tb.

    but thats not the side that needs cleaning. you need to take the TB off the engine and clean the back side. thats what gets carbon coated.

    remove the maf sensor too, dont let any cleaner touch it unless its maf cleaner. any thing else can kill the maf.

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    hold up fella. if you still have the stock 3.8 pulley on there , you don't want the AL104 plugs. these cars come stock with iridium plugs. never heard of titanium plugs...lol. if your gonna run copper plugs use the AL606's or 605's . you want the hottest spark you can get that doesn't cause knock. since you still have the stock pulley on there's no reason to run a plug as cold as a 104. platinums are the plug you don't want.

    if you have an aftermarket pcm such as zzp's , the fans are programmed to come on at 185 degrees , so you run 180 tstat. if your pcm is stock the fans come on at about 210 degrees. the fans are supposed to cool the coolant in the radiator before it circulates. if you run a 180 tstat and the fans don't kick in till 210 , the coolant will constantly circulate and never be cooled by the fan , which can actually cause you to run even hotter.
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    Eh, I'd slap the 104's in there if he already has them. Are they ideal for his car, no but it can't do any harm either.

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    Oops sorry I did mean to say platinum and not Titanium, my mind was still on school mode. I have yet to install the 104's, I was planning on waiting for everything else for the 3.4 pulley to get here before I put them in as the current ones don't look very worn and are gapped to .06. Since they are platinum would it be better to pu in the 104's? I also have been quite busy so I haven't had time to clean the TB yet. But GOOD NEWS! I found the culprit. I was curious about the units for each of the LED bars on the boost gauge as I usually get 4 or 5 bars at WOT, turns out It should reach max! So I followed a tutorial on YouTube to bypass the SC bypass selenoid (took it out, plugged both vacuum lines) and it felt like a completely different car. The boost gauge would go all the way max and I timed my 0-60 to be 7.5 seconds! Hell yeah! Now the problem is I have no clue where to find a replacement one, I can't find anything online or in local part stores. Might go to GM and ask them but I'm not sure about an item number or the actual name for the part. Any ideas?
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