Non ethanol fuel

**1filthygp** · 06-28-2013

Hey people, long time no post...........k for some reason this won't let me do paragraphs? Anywho, been reading up about non ethanol fuel and how it supposedly gives you better mileage. On my way home from work, I filled up with some 89 non ethanol fuel. My car is an 02 GP GT 3.8 N/A BTW. It's never seen non ethanol fuel until now but it was only recently it sparked my curious side

Car runs exactly the same, doesn't "feel" any different whatsoever than it has before. I expect this to take a full tank or 2 before I start seeing any difference to be rid of any remaining ethanol in the system. I'll keep everyone interested in this updated with mileage differences, if and when the car starts to feel different for better or worse. I don't have my hopes too high because it is 89 octane instead of it's usual 87 so maybe I won't see anything. Stay tuned

**Explicit_Spade** · 06-28-2013

You will see an increase in mileage of 2-3 mpgs due to the consumption properties of ethanol.

**addzradd** · 06-28-2013

You won't see any significant change most likly, your car doesen't know the difference netweem the two. and at best there is only a 1.3% difference in energy contant between pure gas and e10 so say going from 28 to 28.3 mpg's maybe if you tuned for it.

**Explicit_Spade** · 06-28-2013

Originally Posted by addzradd

You won't see any significant change most likly, your car doesen't know the difference netweem the two. and at best there is only a 1.3% difference in energy contant between pure gas and e10 so say going from 28 to 28.3 mpg's maybe if you tuned for it.

Your car doesn't know the difference, correct. But if you look at people who have done real world testing mpgs increase fairly significantly when using non ethanol fuels. Try it yourself and get back to me.

**LeadfootCJ7** · 06-28-2013

Originally Posted by Explicit_Spade

Your car doesn't know the difference, correct. But if you look at people who have done real world testing mpgs increase fairly significantly when using non ethanol fuels. Try it yourself and get back to me.

Yep, even in the science, there is a greater loss that 1.3%. I know people like ethanol in certain applications, but it has less btu than gasoline. My wifes 02 Z28 lost a solid 4-5 mpg from it. My Mom's Deville lost 4-5 mpg. There were stations where we could get non ethanol fuel around TX. We would fill up on a road trip and that next tank would be back to regular mileage so it wasn't other changes in the cars condition. My 94 Olds Cutlass with the 3100 only lost about 1 mpg. Results may vary, but ethanol in the fuel does make a significant difference in mileage.

**Fivefingerdeathpunch** · 06-28-2013

I still get 30-32 freeway with 93 E10, car gives no cares.

**FoSHO99** · 06-28-2013

Originally Posted by 1filthygp

Hey people, long time no post...........k for some reason this won't let me do paragraphs? :

Your profile settings for message interface was set to "advanced" interface, switched it back to standard and it should work fine now.

**addzradd** · 06-28-2013

Have tried this because I heard it was super great for milage but in the end the first tank looked good with a 1.5 mpg increase but it was just a change in my driving habit trying to make it look good, once I went back to normal driving around my 3d tankful it went back to normal.

**1filthygp** · 06-28-2013

Originally Posted by addzradd

You won't see any significant change most likly, your car doesen't know the difference netweem the two. and at best there is only a 1.3% difference in energy contant between pure gas and e10 so say going from 28 to 28.3 mpg's maybe if you tuned for it.

Car is bone stock down to the air filter.

Originally Posted by FoSHO99

Your profile settings for message interface was set to "advanced" interface, switched it back to standard and it should work fine now.

Cool thanks.

On a personal note, this isn't going to be scientific by any means, just the good old miles divided by gallons pumped.

**231FUN** · 06-28-2013

I get better mileage running shell v power 91 that has no ethanol in it than any other e10 premium fuel.
But I'd rather run the Sunoco 94 for the extra octane myself, I care not about getting a little better fuel economy.

**Chadgervais** · 06-28-2013

Originally Posted by 231FUN

I get better mileage running shell v power 91 that has no ethanol in it than any other e10 premium fuel.
But I'd rather run the Sunoco 94 for the extra octane myself, I care not about getting a little better fuel economy.

Is all Shell V-Power 91 E-free?

**231FUN** · 06-29-2013

Originally Posted by Chadgervais

Is all Shell V-Power 91 E-free?

Yes, the v power shell fuel has NO ethanol added.

**Jomamma** · 06-29-2013

Originally Posted by 231FUN

Yes, the v power shell fuel has NO ethanol added.

Ill have to go to the shell by me and check that out.

It might be different by area.

**Chadgervais** · 06-29-2013

Originally Posted by 231FUN

Yes, the v power shell fuel has NO ethanol added.

Im just curious how that works. I used to manage a Shell station, our delivery invoices indicated that the gas came from an Irving terminal (NE/Canada supplier) with Shell additives added. All Irving 91 sold in Maine is E10, therefore that Shell, and all the others in my area would be selling E10 91 which does carry the V-Power marque here. I cannot find any literature online to support Shell VP being E free, where did you find that information? Is Shell ok with suppliers selling VPower with E10?

Maine is kinda weird when it comes to gas distribution. ExxonMobil pulled out a few years ago leaving only Irving to supply the state. We can get only 87 and 91, 93 is not available in the Northern region of Maine as the NH/MA distributors will only truck it in if more than 10,000 gallons are ordered. The store I managed is owned by one of Maine's largest distributors who owns and or services 150+ stations in ME/NH/VT. Even when I was managing the Shell, from time to time I would receive a partial load branded for Citgo or Gulf, or even straight Irving. That must violate some kind of quality agreement.

So here, no matter what brand of gas is on the sign, Irving is what you get, plus additive packages.

**231FUN** · 06-30-2013

Originally Posted by Chadgervais

Im just curious how that works. I used to manage a Shell station, our delivery invoices indicated that the gas came from an Irving terminal (NE/Canada supplier) with Shell additives added. All Irving 91 sold in Maine is E10, therefore that Shell, and all the others in my area would be selling E10 91 which does carry the V-Power marque here. I cannot find any literature online to support Shell VP being E free, where did you find that information? Is Shell ok with suppliers selling VPower with E10?

Maine is kinda weird when it comes to gas distribution. ExxonMobil pulled out a few years ago leaving only Irving to supply the state. We can get only 87 and 91, 93 is not available in the Northern region of Maine as the NH/MA distributors will only truck it in if more than 10,000 gallons are ordered. The store I managed is owned by one of Maine's largest distributors who owns and or services 150+ stations in ME/NH/VT. Even when I was managing the Shell, from time to time I would receive a partial load branded for Citgo or Gulf, or even straight Irving. That must violate some kind of quality agreement.

So here, no matter what brand of gas is on the sign, Irving is what you get, plus additive packages.

That may be true, and they may be adding ethanol to it here now aswell but I do believe it does depend on your location.
I did my mileage test between e10 94 and v power 91 back in summer before last and there was alot of discussion on this very topic on my local board at that time. I have to travel a ways out of Ontario and into Quebec to the north east before I see any Irving stations or suppliers. Our fuel in Southern Ontario is supplied out of Sarnia(chemical valley) where the Shell refinery is.
Part that angers me is they want to add ethanol to everything but I can't get e85 without driving three hours or making a trip over the border.

**Sandman** · 06-30-2013

Originally Posted by Chadgervais

Is all Shell V-Power 91 E-free?

Originally Posted by 231FUN

Yes, the v power shell fuel has NO ethanol added.

Maybe in your area. We used to have nonethanol gas around here but it's all E10 now, doesn't matter company or octane.

**LeadfootCJ7** · 07-01-2013

Where ever it is required, the Ethanol is added. There are very few exceptions. I believe there are less than a dozen stations in the entire state of Tx with no ethanol and they are in remorte, rural counties. Most pumps have a sticker on them that tells you if there is 10% ethanol.

**1filthygp** · 07-02-2013

Ok first run through. Just as I thought, nothing changed. 19.83mpg I did a lot of grinding around town over the weekend so that pretty much screwed the pooch for mileage. Being it the work week now

I should see some improvement. My drive is 70 miles of nothing but flat farm country round trip. So we'll see how this week pans out. If I see anything better than 22 I'll keep on using non ethanol if not, back to the good ol 87 E10.