Thread: How does the GTP stack up to cars nowadays?

Originally Posted by RooK

$30k to drop on a car? I'd buy a '05-06 GTO, put a turbo on it, bank the rest.

Originally Posted by SF9777

I would take that 30k, buy nice used corvette, and S/C it. Thanks for all your guys opinions and ya later we will try to learn how to drive a stick, until then i hope to get a GTP 04+. The GP base is the first car i ever got, well my family ever got, and its way better than the ghetto Honda or camrey we were looking to get.

I am happy we got a GP and i learned so much and how awesome these cars are, Also thanks to this forum we understand our car SO MUCH BETTER.

how about an 04 z06 with 23k miles? paid 24k for it. its already crazy fast, put a s/c on that, and DAMNNNNN. as far as a GTP goes though, i would still take it any day over most of the new UGLY crap cars. of course, i'm probably bias because even though i hate my GTP sometimes, i would still drop dead if i ever lost it.. put so much into it, its like family.. and as far as driving a stick goes, its one of the the easiest things in the world. gives you so much more control, i like it wayyyyyy better in city traffic then an auto..

Originally Posted by matt5112

So you can ruin it right?

You won't ruin it if you do it RIGHT... I have done it for YEARS in my truck.

Even with synchro's it is not bad IF you do it right and dont grind the gears... I dont do it to downshift... But for upshifting I almost NEVER use my clutch.

Something Every Real Car Guy Should Know: Shifting Without the Clutch

Originally Posted by SF9777

lol^^

Ya but dont you think while you are doing all that stuff to shift and the guy next to you in an auto could just hit the gas and be gone by the time you shift to second? Unless you are really good then maybe not

this wont happen in a car that can do 60 in first gear lololololol

Originally Posted by NR92

ha ha last year i was driving a old mazda for work (worked for a dealership) going from a highway speeds to a cloverleaf, i down shifted from 4th, missed 3rd gear and put it into first, locked up the tires causing them to screech for about two seconds... good thing it was going to auction lol

That's why i gave up a stick. When they were 4 speeds I had no problem. Could not get the hang of the 5 or 6 speeds.

I also shifted my 1963 406 Ford without the clutch when I was cruising around. Other times I flat shifted it. Never had a clutch or trans problem.
I did however have a 3000 lb Weber pressure plate.

if you had a problem with a 5 or 6 speed dont ever try to drive a big rig lol


this old auto car i used to drive was a crazy pattern.

it was something like this.

4/8 3/7


R 1/5 2/6

so 1 st is on the bottom left, 2 is a shift to the right, 3 is up, 4 th is to the left, then you hit the splicer and fifth is where you started at 1 st gear, work it back around till you hit 8 th...



now down shift it too lol loved that truck it had 4 inch stacks on it, when you hit the jake brake it would shake the paint off the car next to you on the highway lol


we wont go into a 18 speed, thats to much talk about splitting gears and and other crap.


great vid of a 18 speed in action

Wouldn't think about it.

Alright I'm the new guy here, just bought our first front drive car, after looking at tons of cars we needed a family sedan type car for the family and I refused to own/drive anything with less than 6 cylinders or an import with the low end torque of a door knob. My personal cars are an 88 Fiero GT 2.8 that I enjoy Auto crossing when I get the time and an 87 Fiero GT with a 4.9 Aluminum block fuel injected V8, 5spd and a bit of Nitrous to keep things interesting. Torque makes a world of difference in a driver. The GTP that we just bought last night, is a 2000 GTP, bone stock, dealer maintained owned by an older couple most its life. Hence the zero mods. We got it for what I feel is a steal, at $2250 all the other GTP's around here are 2-3 times that price, or were modded abused and 1/2 blown up. Being the fact that I am used to a 2600lb car with a V8 and a stick, I was not expecting this car to be as peppy as it is. I was downright shocked at the smoothness and quickness. Bang for your buck, it’s hard to beat what you get from a GTP. Current gas prices here are 6.75 a gallon for premium which kind of hurts considering the last 24hrs the car has been in boost more than it probably has in its entire life. So we have burned 1/2 a tank of fuel already. (not to mention the tire wear from the Z-Rated tires) I don't mind buying a lesser expensive car, just so that I can build it to do exactly what "I" want it to, and not what some bean counter in an office decided the car would sell best it, given a profit margin of XX. Things like ride quality, Zero to 60, fuel mileage, whatever. I have bought completely dead cars with exploded motors, just cause I knew what I wanted them to turn into.

There is something to say about the guy that drops 30G on a prebuilt car that he knows nothing about, vs. the guy that spends under $5000 for the car, drops $5000 into mods and in 1/3 the price knows his car 10x more, and can probably blow the doors off of that 30K car for 1/3 the cost.

My V8 Fiero, I paid $300 for the car with a blown motor, $3000 on a new motor, traded some labor on another Fiero for a nitrous system, computer tech work with another buddy for some wiring stuff and spent a lot of time tweaking the interior just the way I wanted it. Then built a new body for the car. All in, I'd say I've got $8000 into the car. I can't say I have raced an STI, but a very modded SRT4 got the embarrassment of his life and I didn't even have the nitrous.

I need to keep this GTP soft enough that my wife can use it as a daily driver to haul around out 3 year old daughter, and our soon be to born 2nd kid. However I want it fast enough that we can take it to the track and have some fun. (she is also into racing, drag racing mostly, but she giggles when she used to get her Fiero sideways in the rain making a turn through an intersection.

So is the GTP competitive to today’s cars, you put the Torque of the 3800S/C up against the HP of a Turbo 4cyl Import and I'd take the 3800S/C every day. Frankly bigger engines with broader power ranges are just better daily drivers. Will it smoke everything nope, not stock, but spend an afternoon and say maybe $1000 bucks and It'll sure give them a run for their money.

Driving stick, I think is something every guy should know how to do. End of Story. This may hurt a few feelings, but if you can't drive a stick, I can't believe you are a real car guy. I don't know who posted the 18 speed tractor, yes I have tried it, I am not licensed for running rigs, but he and I were on our way with a load of logs to Oregon, he said he was tired, climbed up out of his seat and got me to jump in behind the wheel. I ran it through the gears, showed me the splitter, jakes and away we went. The only thing I hated was the narrow power band.

Shifting without clutch is something that everyone should also know how to do for emergency purposes. Our GTP is an Auto, but my Fiero's are both 5spd Getrags. The Getrag has no issues at all being driven without a clutch providing you rev match it perfectly. I have taught several of our club guys how to do it. I know the Fiero's with 3800 S/C motors can and do run with the Getrags, what trans is used in the GTP with a 3800S/C motor?

Ok that’s enough from me, I am still the newb here so I hope I gave a bit of an outside perspective to this thread.

Torque

Originally Posted by Capt Fiero

what trans is used in the GTP with a 3800S/C motor?

Respect on the Fieros. I'll have one some day. As for the GTP trans, it's a 4t65e-hd. It's basically a typical 4t65e with a larger differential (hence HD). They have 2.93 gears as opposed to the normal 3.29s, for better fuel economy on the highway with the boosted motor.