Thread: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem

Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1 Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    SE Level Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Location
    Abbotsford, BC
    Posts
    93
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Chats
    0
    So... couple issues.

    Apparently I have a leaking coolant system. I unfortunately noticed this when the temp got to about 110c on the gauge. It wasn't anywhere near the red on the gauge.

    Waited for the car to cool off... opened the radiator. I don't see coolant. I added a bunch and burped the air out.

    So after troubleshooting I found a loose clamp on a heater hose. Yay! Except that only fixed part of the problem. It looks like the elbow is seeping past the o-rings. I spoke with the PO and they said the day after they bought it the plastic elbow exploded and it was replaced at no charge. They did put a metal elbow on. It looks like it might've been leaking and they tried applying rtv to the bottom half of the elbow that goes into the block. Makes no sense right? I can see it is seeping past the ring in the tensioner so I went to GM and ordered the replacement elbow and seals.

    Note: I have a 1997, early style. Only one elbow according to GM, the tensioner itself goes into the block sealed with two o-rings for the bottom.

    So has anyone had experiences with the metal elbow o-rings leaking? The elbow itself seems to be fine. I'm going to compare it when I take it off... but if everything goes well, I'm thinking of using the GM seals on the metal elbow, that will hopefully stop it. I'm also changing the thermostat at the same time, as I have to drain the rad and block anyway. Is there any reason that I shouldn't use the GM seal with the metal elbow.

    Anyhow, that aside. I was thinking... there's supposed to be an indicator for low coolant, why the hell didn't it light up? Oh, someone unplugged the sensor. Plugged it back in and the light now comes on even though the radiator is full. Well. I guess I'll replace that sensor, cause it's damn handy knowing if the coolant has dropped. Bah.

    Another thing: I have a Canadian car, and the manual lists warning lights in English, but my instrument cluster has international symbols of some sort, some of which I don't know the meaning to. I found an owner's manual on GM's website that shows the English worded warnings and saying Canadian models are similar, but we don't have ANY English warning lights at all, they're all symbols. Does anyone have a cross-reference?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    GTP Level Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    770
    Thanks (Received)
    2
    Likes (Received)
    7
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Chats
    0
    On the elbows just make sure you clean up the holes well and lube up the o rings (vaseline works) before you put it all together.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    Donating Users GT2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    Central PA
    Posts
    143
    Thanks (Received)
    3
    Likes (Received)
    5
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Chats
    12144
    When you do the elbows, make sure you don't manage to break a piece off the timing cover like I did!! The aluminum part elbow was seized up in there really bad, and in the process of wrestling it off, I broke the timing cover, and turned a small job into a big one. Be gentle.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    SE Level Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Location
    Abbotsford, BC
    Posts
    93
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Chats
    0
    Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to getting that elbow off. It looks like someone smeared some RTV around the bottom part of the elbow to stop a leak, so it could be fun...

    The elbow was installed around 6 years ago.

    For lube, I've got some silicon based stuff (dielectric grease) that states it won't swell rubber seals, so it should be good to go. If it were for the transmission or oil, I'd just use petroleum jelly... but because this is for the cooling system I'll use the silicon-based grease.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    Killa Bee Scottydoggs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    new jersey
    Posts
    39,995
    Thanks (Received)
    63
    Likes (Received)
    166
    Dislikes (Received)
    5
    Chats
    243824
    inside all 4 holes the elbows slide into might need to be cleaned out. i used a pick to scrape and then like 120 grit sand paper to get all the crap out of it.

    98 Buick Regal GS, F body brakes, Caddy STS wheels, tinted tails L36 bottom end, lightly ported heads, 1.95 roller rockers, headers, gen 5 N* 3.0 pulley, FSIC, 42 lb injectors, a BrandonHall rebuilt trans, DHP tuned and AEM water/Meth injection https://goo.gl/gpV5kW
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    SE Level Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Location
    Abbotsford, BC
    Posts
    93
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Chats
    0
    That job wasn't as bad as I thought... well, when you find the missing bolt holding the tensioner on!

    This car (1997) only has one elbow. The lower one is cast into the tensioner assembly itself. When I was ordering parts we were looking on the exploded parts diagram and I went "huh".

    Anyway, I wound up reusing the metal elbow in it, then putting on the GM o-rings.

    Surprisingly, even though RTV was used, it slid right off. I was really expecting a fight to get it off, but once I found that hidden bolt it came right off. Oddly enough, the o-rings on there were disintegrating. I know this can happen when you use petroleum jelly on o-rings that aren't designed for it. I used silicone grease stuff (dielectric.) It said on the tube it will not cause rubber to swell.

    It took a freaking HOUR to get all the RTV off. I just used 120? 150? emery cloth and wet the cloth with brake cleaner. Even with that, it still took nearly an hour - the grooves where the seals sat took FOREVER to clean. After cleaning, I rinsed everything well before assembly.

    All three joints had RTV and all three were seeping. There was visible evidence of this when the tensioner assembly was removed. That explains why when pressure testing the cooling system it would lose about 1-2 psi after a few minutes. It was such a slow leak that I had to add coolant to the reservoir every 14-18 days. Now I hope that's it. Tomorrow morning I'll wait until the car cools off so I can do a pressure test again. I hope the dang thing holds pressure now - I did verify it's not going into the intake or into the oil pan.

    I do have one more question: I decided to replace the thermostat as well with a GM one (even though I did this back in September when I got the car.) WHY is it so damn hard to get the air out of the system. The temp gauge goes up to 100C (right smack in the middle), then the thermostat opens, and it drops to about 40-50 C (about a quarter) in a second. This usually indicates there's an air pocket somewhere. I used a big funnel that attaches to the radiator and left some coolant in it and it did burp air for more than 5 minutes. When it stopped I closed the system for a while, and cracked the bleed screw on the thermostat housing and it spat a bit more air out. All of this was done when the car was on ramps.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    SE Level Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Location
    Abbotsford, BC
    Posts
    93
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Chats
    0
    I pressure tested the rad today. Cap said 15 lb, pumped it up to 12-13 lb, waited for 30 seconds or so, then let it sit for around 5 mins and it didn't move. If it did move, it was slight. This is an Amazon special (the coolant pressure tester set) so I don't know how well built or accurate it is.

    Just to correct myself, the temp gauge doesn't drop to 40C when the thermostat pops open (that's the bottom of the gauge), it drops to about 70C (or around 160 F.)

    I drove my very short commute to work (like a mile to a mile and a half) and noticed that car fully wamed up, it's never done that previously, so the cooling system must be pressurizing properly now.

    I got home and knowing the thermostat was open, brought the RPM up to 2k-3k and opened the bleed valve - it sprayed for a few seconds, then farted out some air for a second and I closed it. I think I may have to do this a few more times to get the air out...
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8 Re: Insturment cluster symbols and coolant problem 
    GrandPrix Junkie idrivejunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    AR
    Posts
    4,899
    Thanks (Received)
    4
    Likes (Received)
    32
    Dislikes (Received)
    1
    Chats
    0
    Thats the only way I have found, doing it for like a week after any touching of cooling system. I have found also that the jumpy temp readings during warmup are most likely just indicators of a system less than full of coolant. It is remarkable how quickly heat is had with a full system.
    All Grand Prix, all the time. 69 Model J, 99 GT & GTP coupes. All junk, haha.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. Regal GS cluster idiot light problem.
    By Scottydoggs in forum General Tech Discussion
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 05-15-2012, 10:22 AM
  2. Instrument cluster problem
    By tammy in forum Audio, Security & Visual Electronics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-29-2012, 10:27 PM
  3. Instrument cluster problem
    By tammy in forum 3.8L V6 Supercharged (L67)(L32)
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 03-16-2012, 05:19 PM
  4. gauge cluster dimmer problem
    By coreygnar in forum Audio, Security & Visual Electronics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-25-2011, 01:13 PM
  5. Instrument Cluster Problem
    By skunktriscuit in forum Audio, Security & Visual Electronics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-01-2009, 06:51 AM
Tags for this Thread

View Tag Cloud

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •