zzp shift kit

[willie14]

Does anyone have any pictures of how the shins go into the accumulator. All the writeups I've found are for the transgo and its a little different. I've got new springs that obviously didnt come with zzps kit but id like to see if and how anyone else placed there shims on the pistons before I just go and throw it in...

Now I know everyone thinks zzps kit Is crap but I work with huge accumulators for a living and we shim with UHMW poly similar to zzps shims because its easier on the piston shaft instead of stainless or aluminum. I feel if zzp offered more with the kit it would be better.....anywho, photos would be nice...

[rottonj]

ZZP offers no instructions with their kits?

[willie14]

They do but they're just kinda crap. They say they got a shift kit write up with photos clearly in the directions, but when I emailed they're customer service that just kinda hack around the answer your looking for and don't tell you nothing useful.

[rottonj]

Tell them to send you a clear copy, show them a pic of the kit if need be. I really have no love for ZZP, while crucial to the platform as a aftermarket resource, too many horror stories about failing parts or poor customer service.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/zzpstorage/...structions.pdf

[willie14]

Yea I did, all they keep tellin me is just read the directions and shim per what it says.

[willie14]

As you can see in those directions it clearly says pictures

[SaukRapids]

Send them a picture of your direct assumed setup. Title with "Is this right?"

[willie14]

You talkin about a photo of the accumulator after I shim the piston shafts? Lol only prob with that is id have to wait half the day to respond to my email

[SaukRapids]

That's what I'd do, honestly. Sucks waiting, but there was a thread on here; guy needed a spring and didn't wait. I think it blew up because I haven't seen a "Need urgent help with rebuild!" thread yet.

You could post a picture here. Maybe someone can say if it looks right, but I used a different kit.

[willie14]

Yea I remember seeing that, but that was when he pulled the accumulator apart and the smaller spring was broke. I havnt done the kit yet but I imagine that happening is pretty rare

[SaukRapids]

My final thought when I put my accumulator back together; "I wonder if I even need the shims and spacers with the spring placement I used (trans-go). Actually, if they're moot, they might just be adding wear to the guide/pin thing."

I've read that zzp used different material shims to ease the wear, but again, I don't have one. I read through the instructions and am now guessing that you don't have the accumulator removed yet. That's not a problem. Describing what I read, when you get out, the pots are marked with 1-2 & 2-3 on one side of the housing. Keeps the pistons positioned correctly, I didn't and had to use a pic. Remove the piston in 1-2 and place in the desired length shim per their suggestion; 3/4" shims in the pot under both pistons, then a third 3/4 on top of the piston in the marked pot 2-3. Finally, top the 1-2 piston with a 1/2" piece.

They say you can use whatever combo, but I'd start with that. If it's not what you're looking for, better get a pan with a drain plug.

[willie14]

I did lol, I went and bought a new pan for when I do the fluid filter swap and shift kit install

[willie14]

The shims they use for their kit are the same material I use at work on our larger accumulators to ease transition of initial fluid pressure. Its alot easier on the housing and the shaft instead of using stainless

[willie14]

So I got the shift kit and custom springs installed in my trans. Took me about 3 1/2 hrs to do it because I had to drain the fluid into this small tiny pan I had so that took forever and the new pan I bought ended up being the wrong size so I had to clean up the old one and reinstall but I am super happy with the results. I ended up using springs from my work that we use for our hydraulic manifolds instead of using the stock springs so it didnt cost me anything else. I ended up matching the stocks to a set of beefier springs that were a slight bit stiffer under compression. First shift kit install, but I got say it was a success! She shifts on a dime now��

[SaukRapids]

Glad you got it in there. If you'd ever want to change the shims or anything, I got this at Home Depot for $5. Better than a tiny one drain pan, Lol

https://www.google.com/search?q=home...mess+drain+pan

[willie14]

Yea I was gonna go out n buy one but I got too ancy and wanted to install. New springs & UHMW shims worked out great! Shoulda took pics tho. I dont see any writeups for zzps kit but I imagine that's because it doesn't come with nada. Crappy bout the pan I bought too. I guess ill put the right one on when I do another trans flush. What's the milage everyone's getting between trans flushes? Curious....

[SaukRapids]

The papers in mine showed one at 79k from previous owner. I just did it again at almost 140k.

[willie14]

So I'm basicly lookin at 50-75 K miles between fluid changes...doesn't sound too bad but maybe refresh the fluid sooner then that or is I not good to constantly do trans fluid changes like your oil changes?

[Bronco Boy]

Check your fluid and change it if it isn't red.

I change my fluid several times per year; during the summer months I see a lot of 200*+ temps.

[willie14]

So I doesn't hurt it by constantly changing it then? I seen on one thread/ writeup where the guy said to always mix son of your old fluid in with thenew but I figure that since there's about what 4 quarts that doesnt come out thru the pan, you'd just have that to mix with the new....I know everyone's got their own preferences on how they do things...