Thread: Vogtlands vs Eibach

I guess the title is kinda self explanatory but I was wondering which would be better... I'm set on a strut/spring combo and I'm going with the most basic GR2s (they're cheap and if they get the job done whatever) ... So I read up Eibachs = more handling focus with bad ride, Vogtlands tho are kinda vague, most of the comments I read about Vogtlands are comfortable but not much is said about the handling. I also read on this forum Vogtland's spring rates are very similar to the Eibach's. Vogtlands seem like the more ideal choice on the GR2s since they drop only about an inch or so but how much body roll are the Vogtlands gonna control? How about the grip levels between the 2 (I'd assume they'd be similar since they've got similar spring rates, same with the body roll). I'd rather not have the 34 mm front sway bar and stick with the stock 28 mm to have as much grip up front as possible and would prefer to control body roll with springs instead of the front sway bar, but I'd also rather not overwhelm the GR2s. Anyone have experience with these?

Edit: ik the Vogtlands came with the original GMPP w/ Koni kit so I'd kinda assume they'd be ideal all the way around (including handling), but unlike the original GMPP I'd like to keep the oe 28 mm front sway bar with maybe poly bushings and run a 22 mm rear addco bar so most of the grip lies up front and the rear is relatively easy to rotate.

Originally Posted by Fivefingerdeathpunch

It's a GP, it's not going to handle like it's on rails but lowering with good tires helps.

You can always go with SSC springs to bet right in the middle.

Yeah I figured the limits of the W-body platform. But if the GXP proved anything, it can be taken to new levels and you CAN make an all around GT car that may not handle like a Miata but can grip as hard as modern GT cars and can at least be decently track capable. I'm not trying to autox this car, hence the whole keeping the front soft thing... I don't mind a bit of body roll up front but tighten it as stiff as needed to slightly improve responsiveness and have as much grip there as I can get with 245s both a. 420 treadwear A/S tires and b. 200 treadwear summer tires... SSCs seem like a solid choice tho, but I'm not sure if the GR2's can handle the drop, SSCs seem like a good deal since it lowers more than the other 2 and spring rate again about the same, but a little less than the other 2... so I assume a little less body lean than the other 2... decisions decisions :\

Originally Posted by The Guz

Eibachs tend to sag in the rear.

Ewghhhh that sucks, but for the sake of this argument let's say that doesn't matter... (if I were to buy Eibach I'd use WBS rear springs which are stiffer than the front and drop only 1"). You have the GMPP handling kit with vogtlands I'm hoping, I assume your car handles similarly to a Comp G, but how do you think the springs only would affect your performance leaving the sway bars out of the question

Originally Posted by theaceofspades

Buy Vogtlands and an addco rear sway you won't regret it


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Sounds so good right now, I might need to buy a new stock front sway bar tho... I don't know the current condition of it but I might find out it's cracked once I get down there... I'll prolly replace it with an oe 28 mm one with stock rubber bushings I guess, keep stock lcas w/ moog bushings, bmr rear trailing arms, I'm gonna order an Addco bar from summit racing but it'll probably be winter by the time I actually get it so I might as well wait till the spring to put it on. The only conflict I have is in the springs... Vogtlands sound so good since they seem a more of a 'mature' drop if you will, more OE style but still slightly higher spring rate with a small drop, but like fivefinger said the SSC springs are good also... so Eibachs crossed out, now I have to decide whether I want Vogtlands or SSCs... :\

Originally Posted by BillBoost37

While you are at it.. you may as well look over the Regal build pictures I have here somewhere.

That was on GR2's with Vogtlands, the rear still looked saggy, even on new parts. But .. while you are adding all these new parts.. do the drag, toe and lateral bars.

Might as well and aren't the GP's rear fenders shaped different than the regal's (well obviously but you get what I mean)?

Originally Posted by GTpEazy

Might as well and aren't the GP's rear fenders shaped different than the regal's (well obviously but you get what I mean)?

I know the shape of the GP rear quarter is more square-ish making it look like its sagging more than the front when in reality it's not. Not sure about the Regals.

Originally Posted by Booba5185

You'll be beefing up the back, so you'll want to beef up the front a bit. Dorman is the way to go on the front sway, it's been tested many times. Moog does supply bushings in their control arms, just not the good problem solver bushing. I have Vogtlands (with anti-pogo washers), GMPP rear trailing arms (with custom PITA poly bushings), Vogtlands, STBs, Dorman front sway, Addco rear sway, Moog endlinks front and back, rebuilt LCAs (with that Moog bushing I was talking about), and I think that's it, lol. I still have some Monroe gas struts in there since I bought them before I went the performance route on suspension, I will be changing them out for AGX's at some point (whenever they go bad). Truthfully it handles very well, I'm surpised how the Monroes work, but I'll still get something better. Why replace something that isn't bad yet? I also don't have any lateral arm upgrades yet, but they are coming, the AGX's and the lateral arms are all I have left...unless I want to go coil over...but I live in the country so that's not gonna happen. If your curious, this is how it sits not, I think the Vogtlands are settled by now.

The doorman bar isn't adjustable by any chance, is it? Your car looks really nice, love those bullit mustang wheels, I've got a set of 5 spoke 114.3x5 mustang wheels myself. One thing you didn't mention tho is what tires are you running? What size? Like I mentioned in the beginning for the rest of winter/DD I'm doing UHP A/S tires, most likely Ecsta 4xes since tire rack has a $100 rebate on kumhos for october. Tire sizs im planning on running are 245/45s up front and probably 225/55s in the rear basically taking a page out of the GXP's book. Im hoping these tires max lateral grip will be in the mid .8s (comparable to like a comp-g or an old 328i... with the <200 tw summer tires im hoping the grip will be similar to like the turbo Cobalts

Originally Posted by REDCOMPG

Just stick with 245/45 18s that way you can rotate them. Going with a 225/55 in the rear is going to do nothing for you.


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Interesting you say that, some people prefer a staggered stance on fwd but why do you say stay square?