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  1. #1 2001 GTP - Replacing Struts - KYB GR2 plus other parts? 
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    All,

    I want to replace my struts on my 2001 Grand Prix GTP. It has about 110k miles on it. I am having some issues with tire wear and will be replacing the tires soon but want to do the struts before that. Once the struts are replaced I will have it aligned. The car does not seem to have an excessive bounce it sure looks like the ride has deteriorated over the years. I am hoping this repair will be noticeable once completed.

    I see that struts are available at a variety of locations. E.g. Tirerack, Rockauto, Amazon, etc. I am struggling to determine what parts I need to order so that I can do the job over the weekend and not be forced to order more parts later.

    I know I need to order the front and rear struts for the car. I know what those part numbers are so I am not concerned about that. My concern is what else do I need to replace while I have them disassembled? E.g. Boot, mount, bearing plate, etc?

    It looks like at the very least I want to replace the rubber mount that is visible under the hood. I believe there is also a little bit of float with original struts on the car. I am not sure if this includes the bearing plate or if it is a separate part.

    Any suggestions on what I should replace aside from the strut assembly itself?

    Here are some of the parts I see that are offered by KYB from the Tirerack:

    GR2 Front assembly# 339015
    GR2 Rear assembly# 334228

    Front strut mount #SM5568 (How does this differ from SM5143?)
    Front strut mount #SM5143 (Same question as previous part?)

    Front boot #SB127
    Rear boot #SB105


    I appreciate the help!
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    OK, I dug out the order form for my 05 when I did all the struts. I'm not going to list part Nos. as they probably are different for your 01.

    strut, strut bellow, coil spring seat, strut mount, coil spring insulator

    This was everything I needed to replace all the removable parts. Yes, I was wondering too if I ordered everything I needed. Rockauto had everything.
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    Btw, did you notice a difference after replacing the struts? Did your struts fail the simple bounce test? If so, I am sure the difference would be night and day. I am sure mine have degraded over the years but I wonder how bad they actually are.

    My initial intentions were to replace the struts and get the car aligned. I am getting some cupping on my Bridgestone uni-directional tires and everyone claims it is the alignment. I am not convinced since I had the car aligned before I put them on. The car has 109k miles on it and the tires along with alignment were performed around 65k miles. I almost believe it is solely a problem unique to the tires themselves. I rotated around every 7000 miles and some tire folks claim that is not enough to prevent noise and issues with wear when running uni-directional tires.

    I almost tempted just say screw it and put on a new set of tires that are not uni-directional and forget the rest. Aside from the inside cupping, the car drives straight and the tires appear to wearing evenly. The car does ride rough and it does seem to have excessive movement when there are dips in the road. If you do the simple bounce test, the car passed that with flying colors. I truly believe if the car failed that simple test it would be obvious that there was a problem.
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    Go to KYB's website. They let you pick your vehicle and give you part numbers. Out of all the places, I found Amazon to be the cheapest after taxes and shipping.

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    rockauto.com FTW.

    All you really need is the strut (and/or spring if you want to do the entire deal)
    strut mount.
    Boot (if you really dont want to reuse your old one, which they are usually just fine)

    The easiest route is just to buy the all in one units. Strut/spring/mount all assembled and ready to drop in. Usually a little more expensive, but much easier. Unless of course your lowering the car, then you have no choice but to do it yourself.
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    I would suggest getting everything WhatNext got. If you're going to go through the trouble of replacing the struts, strut mounts and boots, you may as well replaces the insulators and springs as well for a couple reasons. #1 - the insulators are cheap and I'm sure the springs aren't exactly in their best shape by now, either. #2 - having a whole strut assembly already together and ready to go makes replacing them a lot easier. Just drop out the entire old assembly, and swap in the new one. You can either buy all these parts separately, or get what's called a "quick strut" assembly where everything already comes pre-assembled for you. I know KYB has such a kit if you want to stick to GR-2s.
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    buy KYB quick strut assemblies.

    Remove the old strut assembly and install the new ones.

    Done and done.

    Takes less time, is safer both in the long run because you now have all new components and in the installation because you dont have to deal with changing over the springs.
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    At 70k miles, my 05 starting developing a slight float which is an early sign and the float itself spoiled the handling. So the new struts took care of that. The originals would have passed the bounce test with flying colors. The bounce test is stupid and only serves to convince someone that they left their struts/shocks somewhere back on the road. But I was a bit surprised that I needed struts at 70k as my 98 GP at 130k had tighter struts than the 05 at 70k. Seems by 05 they were cheaping out on the struts. Your 01 might be on the good side but with 110k on them, I think it's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt5112 View Post
    buy KYB quick strut assemblies.

    Remove the old strut assembly and install the new ones.

    Done and done.

    Takes less time, is safer both in the long run because you now have all new components and in the installation because you dont have to deal with changing over the springs.
    Btw, I just got off the phone with KYB and they suggest not using their quick strut kit for the GTP. They claim it is not compatible since the GTP has different spring rates than the SE or GT. Looks like I will need to order the parts separately.
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    Here's an update on the struts... I ended up ordering most of the parts from Amazon with the exception of a few parts that were not available which I got from Rock Auto. All the parts were from KYB. I replaced struts, mounts, isolators, etc... I just did the front today and it wasn't to bad once I figured out how to compress and remove the spring. The hardest part was removing the nut which holds the mount to the spring. I used an impact wrench after realizing that I was not going to get it off with hand tools. Actually removing them from the car was very easy. I did have an issue with installing them and could not line up the lower strut mount holes with the knuckle. Once I figured out that I needed to loosen the stabilizer bar end links it was easy.


    The only thing I am somewhat concerned about is the front of the car sits higher than it used to as it is easy to tell since the rears have not been changed. I am planning to do the rears next weekend.

    Will the front settle a bit? Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zguy View Post
    Here's an update on the struts... I ended up ordering most of the parts from Amazon with the exception of a few parts that were not available which I got from Rock Auto. All the parts were from KYB. I replaced struts, mounts, isolators, etc... I just did the front today and it wasn't to bad once I figured out how to compress and remove the spring. The hardest part was removing the nut which holds the mount to the spring. I used an impact wrench after realizing that I was not going to get it off with hand tools. Actually removing them from the car was very easy. I did have an issue with installing them and could not line up the lower strut mount holes with the knuckle. Once I figured out that I needed to loosen the stabilizer bar end links it was easy.


    The only thing I am somewhat concerned about is the front of the car sits higher than it used to as it is easy to tell since the rears have not been changed. I am planning to do the rears next weekend.

    Will the front settle a bit? Thoughts?
    Did u buy the pre-assembled strut assembly or components and compress the spring yourself? I did my tower mounts this weekend and found the worst of it just compressing the springs to get the mount out. But my other GP sounds like it needs rear struts now...thinking about the pre assembled route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burley117 View Post
    Did u buy the pre-assembled strut assembly or components and compress the spring yourself? I did my tower mounts this weekend and found the worst of it just compressing the springs to get the mount out. But my other GP sounds like it needs rear struts now...thinking about the pre assembled route.
    No I bought individual parts except the springs. I did compress the springs myself. I was looking for a challenge I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatNext View Post
    OK, I dug out the order form for my 05 when I did all the struts. I'm not going to list part Nos. as they probably are different for your 01.

    strut, strut bellow, coil spring seat, strut mount, coil spring insulator

    This was everything I needed to replace all the removable parts. Yes, I was wondering too if I ordered everything I needed. Rockauto had everything.
    Dont want to highjack the thread but i only have one question for you "WhatNext.did you buy 4 coil spring insulaters and 4 coil spring seats.i have everything else,i have a 2005 gp and i was just wondering cause i am trying to lower it but i want to replace everything new.I have the DNA springs, KYB GR-2 / Excel-G struts,strut mounts and the strut bellow,thank you
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    To Valente - for a 05, the front spring seats were SM5470, coil spring insulators SM5437. Can't break out the parts #s for the rear since I went with the quick strut assemblies which had everything included.
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    Thank you,i hope i can handle this task
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    Additional updates...

    I replaced the rear struts this weekend. It wasn't any more difficult than the front but I will say that it was tougher to use the spring compressor clamps considering how wide the rear mount is compared to the front. Here our some my concerns and observations after completing the install.

    One, I noticed that the right rear of the car is still noticeably lower than the right front. The left side both front and rear look about even but if I had to measure the gap in the wheel well I would have to say the it is a little less than the left front is.

    Two, the right rear rubber cover that goes over the top of the mount in trunk area barely fits. Meaning the mount appears to be sitting very close to inside of the mount area thereby leaving a very small gap which is preventing the rubber cover from fitting on correctly. The left rear does not have this problem. I wonder if I need to try and loosen everything up and try to pull the mount towards the outside of the car to allow the cover to go on easily. I know there is some play in the tower mount holes but I am not sure how much. Btw, the mounts are KYB and they are specific to each side.

    Three, when I push on the rear of the car with the trunk open it is very easy to push the car down as compared to the front. I am sure the front has tougher springs considering the car is heavier in the front but I would expect the effort required to push the front down vs the rear to be similar. In my case the rear is very easy to push down. I am wondering if the springs could be bad or sagging in the back which would make it is easier to push down along with the issue I am seeing with the rear stance of the car.

    Any ideas?
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    The rear springs are probably sagging. How many miles are on the springs? You should consider getting a set of intrigue springs to raise the rear. The rubber cover is not a big deal. I don't even run them on mine.
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    I have about 110k miles on the car and the springs. For all I know the GPs sit a little lower in rear. I honestly never really payed any attention to it in detail with the exception of now.
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