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  1. #1 What could cause a "growling" vibration 
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    I have a 2006 GP GT that has developed what I am calling a suspension/acceleration "growl" type vibration. I still get great performance from the engine, but under moderate-hard acceleration and/or when going over "rolling" bumps on the highway, I notice both with sound and vibration sort of a "growl" and I am trying to figure out what it could be.

    The growl is most noticeable if the car is full of people (like when my wife and kids are in it). I can get it to happen with acceleration, or like I said going over those larger dips/bumps that cause the whole car to sort of go up/down like a boat going over a wave (vs. short small pavement crack type bumps). In particular, when the suspension is compressed (car is dipping down from the bump/dip) it is VERY noticeable.

    Any ideas on what to look for?

    There is 1 other piece of information that I will throw out there that I need to fix, but I didn't want to "skew" peoples' thoughts on this.

    So please answer the question BEFORE reading the statements below and then read it to see if it makes sense. Thanks!



    OK, so by now you have come to at least some thought on the problem, here is the other piece of information. I looked under the front end up the car last night when changing the oil filter and noticed that the CV boot nearest the engine on the passenger side wasn't clamped on with the inner most clamp (the outside clamp is there). The clamp is there, but just "hopping around on the axle" and not holding the one end of the boot. The grease has got to be pretty much gone. I was going to fill the boot and put the clamp back on, but I am thinking that if it is the source of my problem, I may need to replace the whole half shaft. If it is something else, then I would like to try to diagnose and correct it while I am digging around under there.
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    get a re maned half shaft from any parts store,
    that may be whats casuing the "growling"..is it on the same side?

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    Not sure how to check if it is the same side or not. It seems hard to pinpoint, but is definitely a stronger feel than sound.

    Is there a better brand of replacement part out there? I know that you can get reman'd ones, but I thought that I was reading somewhere that it is good to get a new one for the minimal cost difference.
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    it is cheaper to get a remaned one but the extra 30 bucks for a new isnt worth it, with the remaned you get all new parts and the only thing they reuse is the shaft itself,,
    what side is the halfshaft on?..L or R?
    what side is the noise comeing from?..L or R?///or can you not tell

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    The side that has the "empty" boot is on the passenger side. I can't really tell where the sound is coming from besides that I really feel it when the suspension is under load from rolling bumps or acceleration. It isn't an engine noise, definitely something else.
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    wheel bearing 1st thing Id check
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    I've replaced 4 wheel bearings (one of them twice) in my 2000 GTP that I used to have, and this is a completely different feel/sound than any of those instances.
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    i was gonna say a wheel bearing too but then i read the last little bit, it sounds like its just the inner joint making noise, replace it and hopyfully itll go away

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    So if I go to RockAuto and order one, I see a few things.

    Cardone Select Part # 661256 - New CV Drive Axel with retaining clip - Front Right - $44.79

    EMPI Part # 801820 - Front Right - $67.79

    A-1 Cardone Part # 601256 - Reman. Front Right - $47.99

    You said to just get a Reman, but it looks to be $0.20 more that the new part from the same place, although it is $20 cheaper than the EMPI new part.

    Thoughts?
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    i never looked on there for one, i ment places like auto zone, advance, and oriley's
    thats were i got mine from and most come with core,
    is that shipped?..if so id get a new one

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    Sounds more like a wheel hub to me.
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    I have this exact problem and I'm guessing half-shafts too (sorry for the bump, but it seemed more relevant to use one topic). The bearings are 100% fine as you can be at highway speeds and let off the gas a bit and the vibration goes away. It's definitely a load-based issue as coasting removes it. Taking my car to the shop tomorrow to get a second opinion. I'll report back.
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    You know, I never did fix it, but I am going to be forced to do it soon. It seems like every second of my day is either at work, doing stuff with the kids, or working on finishing our basement. We've got a deadline of 2 weeks before we MUST be ready for drywall (long story) so I've been dealing with this.

    Let me know what they come back with. Thanks.

    PS. I've replaced a number of wheel bearings (most on my 2000 GTP that I had) and this is completely different.
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    It's definitely the inner CV joints on the axle. Be wary though, If you don't have air tools you'll be stuck. I can't get my struts out with standard tools. Oddly enough, the axle bolt was easy. Anyone know the size of the strut mount bolts? (bottom) I only have one car so I have to order them and have them delivered.

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    So I dug into this today and yup, bad inner CV joint on the passenger side just as suspected.

    Drives great again.
    Currently driving a 2006 Grand Prix GT - Stock
    2000 GTP was killed by 16 year old - Nov 20, 2010 - It only had 74,000 miles, a ZZP 3" Catted Downpipe, ZZP SS PLOG, FWI, 180* T-Stat, Flipped Dog Bones, GMPP Sway Bars, G2 painted Rotors and Calipers, HUMount, and was Dexcool free!
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    Glad you got it fixed. I was going to suggest replacing that cv shaft..

    oh yeah for those of you that don't know what CV stands for....... Its Constant Velocity
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post
    So I dug into this today and yup, bad inner CV joint on the passenger side just as suspected.

    Drives great again.
    How do you test/verify that is the problem? I have these same symptoms and would like to know how to check this so I know which one to replace.
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    go to a parking lot.

    And start to drive in circles or make very sharp tight turns. Listen for popping or clicking, that will tell you if a CV is bad.

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    I don't have any noises. I guess I could have been more specific--how do you check the inner joint?
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    So I got down there and the RF inner had a little play in it, so I changed that axle. The vibration is better, but not gone. I did notice fluid leaking from the mounts, so I suppose those are next...
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