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  1. #1 Head gasket problem, 25 miles on new gasket 
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    Okay so heres my problem im running into.

    got my motor back in the car and all the little issues worked out, that happens after taking the engine apart.

    So heres last problem to be worked out.

    I was having a P0171 code and rough idle, figured out s/c bolts were a little loose. Tightbed up, no more code and idle problem seems to be fixed.

    the car is getting hot, has new cooling system, i have noticed a small coolant leak on the back head towards the middle of the head. And this morning had the car started and gave it some throttle while i was under hood, and noticed a poof of white smoke coming from the back head area, and it had a coolant smell to it.

    Is it possible my back head didnt get torqued down properly causing a "breach".

    When i put the engine back together i torqued everything down to spec.
    My neighbor said i should pull of valve covers and re-torque head bolts. He said its good to re torque things after a running it for a couple miles.

    Soubds about right cause i had torqued that S/C down and it was a little loose causing that engine code & idle issue



    What do you suggest
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    Did you put on the gasket correctly? I added copper spray on mine to seal right torqued them in sequence and then to 120 degrees or something like that once torqued. Took them off twice and never had a issue. Just had to get the valves redone
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    I did not spray copper spray on the gaskets, i have never done that before and never ran into this issues. I am hoping that its just not fully torqued down.

    So you know the torque sequence and pattern to torque the heads down?
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    Sequence


    Initial torque to 37ft lbs, then 120*

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    I used Felpro gaskets, no copper spray, and only prepped the heads/block with a razor blade and brake cleaner. Sealed like a champ.

    *Also note, do not loosen you head bolts to retorque them, as they are TTY

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    its very possible your head is warped if you didnt get them check over or rebuilt.

    98 Buick Regal GS, F body brakes, Caddy STS wheels, tinted tails L36 bottom end, lightly ported heads, 1.95 roller rockers, headers, gen 5 N* 3.0 pulley, FSIC, 42 lb injectors, a BrandonHall rebuilt trans, DHP tuned and AEM water/Meth injection https://goo.gl/gpV5kW
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    ^^ Could be the head is warped though I'm leaning to whoever rebuilt it didn't do it 100%

    Reason I say this is because if they left supercharger bolts loose, good chance they didn't do the proper torque/sequence on the heads.

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    Stupid doubt posts.

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    Heads were bought used and i had them resurfaced, new valve stem seals, and pressure tested

    I did all the work myself, i know i torqued the S/C down but its possible i could have missed a bolt or two
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    Well if the heads are good, and the block was prepped it's narrowed down to either mis-torqued bolts, or a bad headgasket.

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    I would pop the valve cover, set your torque wrench to 37ft-lbs and see if any of them were loose. If not, jump it up to about 60ft-lbs and see if any are loose (following the proper sequence) See if that stops the leak.

    If not, you will probably need to pull the head off, prep the head and block again, and make absolute sure you get those torque specs correct.

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    How possible is it that the block is warped? Have u heard of that happening before?

    I orginally bought the car with cracked heads and the engine dissamembeled already
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    its possible if the engine was really over heated.

    where were the cracks in the heads? middle of the valves is no big deal. they all have them cracks it seems.

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    I never had the heads that came with the car tested. I know he had it at a shop and they told him heads were cracked and he decided he didnt want to shell out $$ for new heads & paying a shop to fix it.

    I noticed some marking on the old heads inbetween the valves that it looks like the machine shop was trying to point out where the "cracks" were.
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    It was a small hairline crack. And what i've been reading is alot of these heads have those cracks and people run them w/ no issues
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    those cracks are fine really.

    with the head off and a good straight edge you can tell if the deck of the block warped.

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    Hope not. Ive put too much time & money into this thing.
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    Would a warpes block be causing running/performance issues?

    I would think so, but im not an expert on these engines

    Cause it idle's and runs great. Just that coolant leak and it getting hot

    And no coolant in oil
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    Would a compression test on the rear head help?

    Im going to keep fingers crossed that somehow torque was off and not a block problem.
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    it would.

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