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  1. #1 Getting rid of KR? 
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    I'm looking for ways to get my KR down. I'm seein about 4.5-5* of knock. It's only happening when it shifts at WOT. Scanning with an aeroforce running 91 octane.
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    K&N Cold Air, ZZP Wires, ZZP 3" with hi-flo, Catback, ZZP 1.0 PCM., 180*, AL605's, 3.5 MPSStill fighting KR
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    put in 93 octane, headers, rockers, 2.5-3" downpipe, cam, port blower.
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    What are your mods?


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    Go e85
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    I've got a 3" catless DP. ZZP wires. ZZP 1.0 PCM. K&N cold air. Still on stock pulley. Trying to get this knock down so I can drop to around a 3.5.
    We can't get anything higher than 91 octane here

    Also, I'm seeing around 5.5 for boost numbers. Is that normal?
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    Put stock pcm back in it kr will go down
    98 GTP modded 1.9's, sd headers, 3.4", zzp 1.0 230K miles scrapped.
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    prob not it will prob go up to 8 kr with stock pcm get some headers and get the false knock kit
    2.4Pulley, Ngk Tr7 plugs, Self tune, Methanol injection
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    I had less kr on stock tune
    98 GTP modded 1.9's, sd headers, 3.4", zzp 1.0 230K miles scrapped.
    04 Comp G zzp stb's, UMI ta's, Speedbuilt sways, bully flo heads, XP, zzp headers, fsic, thrasher shift kit, 60#, 2.6" corsa 2.5", Inferno hood
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    Headers, Headers, Headers... Then tune... If ya want, port the S/C, TB, colder t-stat and tune it all in... More flow is better, but gotta tune it. Tuned PCM will help get rid of KR. Not the boxed variant. Those will only take you so far. That 91 Octane needs to go up... Did I forget to mention Headers?
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    Headers suck and tuning is pointless on most cars. If you have that much kr you have a mechnaical issue. 91 octane isnt that bad.
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    ZZP sparkplug wires have a history of issues. Try swapping back to stock to see if it changes anything.
    Ensure that your downpipe does not have an exhaust leak.
    Check for vacuum leaks.
    Clean your MAF sensor and throttlebody.
    Check your receipt for the ZZP PCM to ensure that it's tuned for 91, not 93.

    after all that... fresh fuel filter, check sparkplug gaps (0.060), replace with new if near 100k or over.
    Irridium spark plugs last 100k mi and work just as well as copper. Copper is a waste on N/A and only lasts 15k mi. Don't use Platinum.
    Use 195* tstat unless you can thoroughly explain why not; 99.9% don't need a lower temp.
    Almost any oil filter, ever, is of higher quality than ACDelco. Spend $6+.
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    I know that I have a bit of a leak where my down pipe goes into my resonator. Could that really be the cause of it? I know my vacuum lines are good, when I hooked up my boost gauge I ended up replacing half of the lines.
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    Headers suck? Hmmmmm...
    I guess then the same can be said for porting and polishing heads? Lmao!

    ANY flow mods... On intake and especially the exhaust side with these engines helps. And tuning then afterwards most certainly does help, if not eliminate knock.

    I had from +5* kr prior to headers... 3-5* afterwards, barely 1/2* now after 1.9 YT RR's and 3" exhaust. And that's with just beginning (learning) to tune. So...

    Yeah ok, I totally disagree with you! Respectfully of course! As I've been told every 3.8 is different. ; ) maybe your experiences are different.
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    Maybe he meant headers suck to install??? I know afterwards they look and flow much better!!! :-D
    1999 GPGT - L26, Ported Top Swap, XP Cam, 3.2 MPS, 42.5#, N*, LQ4, SD Headers, Double Roller, TEP Race Trans w/Stand alone Cooler, Precision Industries 3000RPM Stall, 75 Shot Nitrous Express Proton Kit w/Purge, 3" Dual Borla Pro XS, Corsa Dual 3.5 Tips, 5% Tint
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    Headers are pointless on a bolt-on car. I'm not sure why they are pushed so hard around here for 3.4 to stock pulley cars. At that level, they aren't worth the maintence headache that they cause.


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    headers offer the least bang per buck of any mod, even at these chinabay prices. They are a pain in the ass to keep from leaking if you can even pull it off, and you might pick up .1 and a mph in the quarter with extensive mods... I have never seen a 3.4 pulley car go faster with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolone View Post
    Yeah ok, I totally disagree with you!
    You do know that I had a 3.4 pulley and a tuner EIGHT years ago right? You were probably not even old enough to drive a lawnmower.

    I have been doing this 3800 "thing" long enough to say what I say with knowledge and experience behind it.
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    See that just dont make any sense to me... Headers allow the exhaust to flow better... Plus headers are almost as much as a PLOG and DP combo...
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    Stock manifolds aren't even close to being out-flowed at a bolt-on level. Bigger isn't always better.


    2001 GTP Drag Car - XPZ, Tischler heads, Upsidedown M90 IC'd, e85, Gen V, 2.3 w/ 5%OD
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    headers suck? i didnt realize flow was bad.
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