Getting rid of KR?

your not making any points.. just repeating yourself...

Headers RULE because Aliens wear purple helmets and Potatox2.

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Originally Posted by Iceman6669

LOL... ok guy. I didnt do it in a lab so it is worthless.... Let me say this.. MORE AIR IN.. SAME PRESSURE IN INTAKE MANIFOLD= MORE AIR GOING OUT... that is simple logic that even a 10 year vet can understand. I even told you that they were on the SAME car with similar environment conditions. I have even seen it on SEVERAL cars. Not just mine. But hey 10 years means that you just are not wrong. EVER.

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You are still failing to understand. So, I will keep making the same points.

You have no controls. You have no evidence that you are actually getting more air in. Or, more air out. Or, intake manifold pressure is the same.

When I installed my headers and did no other mods my 0-100 dropped 4 seconds.

Really.. Ok.. You show me where MIT did the study of how headers on a 3800 bolt on car DONT flow any better then tuff guy.. Cause until you can prove it, logic says that they do help with flow. I have seen enough evidence that it does.

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When I installed my headers and did no other mods my 0-100 dropped 4 seconds.

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SEE.. Real world proof > made up science stuff.

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Really.. Ok.. You show me where MIT did the study of how headers on a 3800 bolt on car DONT flow any better then tuff guy.. Cause until you can prove it, logic says that they do help with flow. I have seen enough evidence that it does.

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Now you're all pissed off there junior. lol

I never said they don't flow any better.

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SEE.. Real world proof > made up science stuff.

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Coming from the newbie...haha!

I remember my first 3800...

Newbie? I guess I haven't been doing this stuff for 10 years but I have for 2. Learned some stuff along the way. I'm no professional by any means but I've learned a lot with trial and error.

I am not even pissed... And you can call me a newb all you want. Wont hurt my feelings...Or tell you what.. Show me the flow chart of knowledge vs. Newb and show me where I am. THen I can tell you there are lots of factors that go into each part...

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Coming from the newbie...haha!

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I might point out coming from a newbie that knows Headers > stock manis....

There is no flow chart. I don't know what a flow chart would tell you anyways. Maybe once you figure out the more flow does not always equal more power, you will understand better.

Then why do people port heads?

Why do people run cams with more lift?

I will agree that exhaust scavenging is important. so if the primaries on the headers were 15" you might have a point...

You are really trying hard here to compare apples to oranges.

Flow is Flow. Again I understand to a point what you are saying... Just that headers would help if you planed on doing nothing else to your car.

You clearly don't understand at all, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I do understand but you are wrong...

Add headers to a stock car and see how much more timing you can get. Why? Because better flow and less heat.