Thread: Help me out. Suggestions??

Originally Posted by DnaProdigy

Yes true thanks for pointing that out, kind of like the difference between a ported throttle body and one of ZZPs high velocity tb's. Both for the same purpose but are different products. [and plog is better then ported front manifold]

And yea as i mentioned the headers would be the better choice if you have the time and money. Only two problems with that are price and instillation difficulty. If you have little mechanical experience they are a bit more difficult to put in then people think. This your DD and you don't need it being out of commission for a long time.

The plog and DP are two separate parts so therefore can both be installed at separate times.

Also if you plan on purchasing headers make sure you get a name/type that people have had experience with. Last thing you want is a set of headers that you have to fabricate for a while trying to get them not to leak. Hell i have even known pacesetters to cause a bit of problems with leaking and they are the most common headers on here.

What would it take to install headers? (Time, money, supplies?)

ZZP Wizair cold air intake from zzperformance.com
3.5'' Offroad pipe
ZZP PCM
180 Deg. Thermostate

If you do all these you should be able to safely drop a pulley size which will give you great gains

Originally Posted by ssm90GT

ZZP Wizair cold air intake from zzperformance.com
3.5'' Offroad pipe
ZZP PCM
180 Deg. Thermostate

If you do all these you should be able to safely drop a pulley size which will give you great gains

Wizair intakes are expensive. Mine are not. The wizaired performes exactly as mine does but is nearly twice the price.


I have never heard of a 3.5'' down pipe. Even if there was one it would do no good to have it unless your whole exhaust system is 3.5''.


Don't get a zzp pcm because they are garbage


Might as well go with a 160*



I doubt you will be able to drop puller sizes because most stock cars have 2-5* of KR to begin with. And thesemods listed above certainly wont get rid of that.


First thing you need to do before you start dropping pullies is get a scan tool. No one can tell you what you need to do or what you need before you do that.


If you dont have the money for a scan tool you can start with the more common mods such as an FWI or thermostat. You don't have to worry about scanning when you put those on.

Originally Posted by ssm90GT

ZZP Wizair cold air intake from zzperformance.com
3.5'' Offroad pipe
ZZP PCM
180 Deg. Thermostate

If you do all these you should be able to safely drop a pulley size which will give you great gains

Good mods but there is No way you can assume that those mods will let you drop a pulley. Its getting kinda old having to repeat this nothing against you personaly.

1. The intake is a great choice, but a homemade FWI will net similar gains and cost less.

2. 3.5 offroad pipe? im guessing h'es refering to a downpipe. Ive never seen a 3.5 dpunless its some crazy custom part and at that size would be pointless. You can go with either a 2.5 or a 3 inch downpipe. The "offroad" is a downpipe without a catalytic converter. Check local emission laws to see if a catless dp is legal.

3.ZZP PCM.....I wouldnt go with ZZP. They have been having problems with their PCM's lately. I would go with Intense or Overkill.

4. 180* thermostat is a good choice but your stock pcm turns you fans on when the temp reaches 195*. Id would do a aftermaket pcm Intense/Overkill first, they have the fan turn on point @ 180-185*.

There are a few more mods that should be done as a precation. A ZZP powerlog or headers (if you can afford them), Autolite 104 spark plugs. and U-bend delete(if you get a catted or catless DP that will take care of the u-bend delete). Then come the most important part. Find a scanner to show if you have any knock retard. Scan before and after the pulley install to make sure you have no knock.

TDC's a fast lil bastard lol But hes exactly right.

Lol Glad we agree

Originally Posted by adidasdude1061

What's a good tuner to buy? Can it be bought cheap, like off of ebay or something?

The only tuner that I would recomend is the HPTUNER wich starts at 500.00.


This isnt a stage 1 tune stage 2 tune type of thing. You have to learn about how to tune and how to work this tuner before you just ''start tuning''

You just have to be patient.

HPTuners.com >> Performance At Your Fingertips is where it's at.

Originally Posted by DnaProdigy

I really hate giving estimations about time but i would say its in the ballpark of three hours. Could be done in as little as 1 1\2 i would imagine or well over 3 hours [rusty, bolt breaks etc]. Please don't think this is something you can just smack like you see in horsepower TV or something. Where they say "now were going to install the headers, all you have to do is remove the old front and rear manifolds...blah blah blah and then install the new ones and your done" 30 seconds later. Many things to be careful of, which i could list if you are actually considering investing the time and $.

Money, it depends on which namebrand you buy. The paesetters from ZZP start at $360. Their higher model stainless headers stat at $700. The Other Guys headers go for $750.

Supplies, some one who has actually installed these would be better to comment on this.

I have had the pacesetters and have had the zzp stainless 700 dollar headers. Both leak both need improvements. ZZP's are way better in workmanship and quality and leak FAR less than the pacesetters.

ZZP's are actually the same price as the togs because you have to buy a dp and it is not included like it is in the tog's package.

I had no leaking issues with the p-log and DP setup with the stock rear manifold.


Install time for headers? If you're setup is stock right now then plan on around 4hrs if you kinda know what your doing, can of PB Blaster and some broken bolts.

He better have some pb blaster and be ready for broken bolts if he does a plog. The crossover bolts can be a p.i.t.a.. I broke one myself.