Has anyone ever tried the ebay headers? They have a website, I believe it is ssautochrome.com. It is 299 for the headers. I may give them a shot and see how well they fit.
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Has anyone ever tried the ebay headers? They have a website, I believe it is ssautochrome.com. It is 299 for the headers. I may give them a shot and see how well they fit.
Spend the extra $50 and get pacesetters
Had the prototype set for almost 3yrs/~40k now, only have minor complaints. Performance-wise: they're great, can't ask for anything more than what I saw for dyno testing (24.7whp gain back when I only had just under 260whp with mani's & Gen3/3.3"/XP
Issues that can be taken care of before install... add a $40 ZZP 3" flex, and get them ceramic coated beforehand, if available. Otherwise you need to keep up on engine bay detailing with a stainless cleaner, or that sexy gold gets hidden by some crud over time, and takes alot of work to clean off. (don't know why they say 1-3/4" primary and mild steel... these are identical dimensions to SLP's and made of 321 stainless, a version of 304... Zoomer & I both confirmed this with magnet testing)
I, personally, had no issues with welds, but others have. As with any header, check them over before install to make sure they're ready to go. Buy the good Torca AccuSeal clamps, and use copper RTV in the slip-joints if you're worried about leaking there. The same care & attention to detail needs to be taken with all header installs, in various ways.
I give them 3.5 out of 5 torque-stars, especially with the new v-band downpipe split, making install much easier than the old versions & SLP's. Lack of coating, clamps, and 10-15k mile flex are the reasons for this grade. Silver Ceramic TOG's are probably 4-4.5 in my book, with original coated SLP's and regular coated TOG's at ~4. Pacesetters and S&S's are down in the SSAC territory, due to various drawbacks they each have as well, including mild steel construction, with coated versions around 3.5-4.
My opinion based on many installs and witnessing of performance numbers afterwards. All headers will give a similar performance gain, so it's the other aspects that' you're choosing between, including price obviously.
- Dave
So I emailed this company about how well the fitment is on these so called "Ebay headers" and this is how they replied.
"Hi, no this is not a bolt on application it will more than likely need to do mods on your current setup. its 250.00 shipped."
Last edited by Freebeer187; 07-16-2008 at 12:30 PM.
Yes they fit perfectly, they gave you an AutoZone-style answer... where they supply items, but have no clue about what they're selling you, so to speak. I've maybe heard 1-2 instances in the history of ALL 3800 headers about not lining up correctly, etc.
The headers I'm running were from 2005, a test set when Donkey Punch Performance (a Monte guy in MN) was originally gonna sell them in the 3800 community for SSAC. He dropped the ball after only making about 10 deals during 2006 and not being too communicative with pre-sale folks, so SSAC started selling them on eBay and their own site last year.
So yes, they're the same & they bolt right up. You need to supply your own Torca AccuSeal clamps (two 2.25" for x-over, and one or two 3" depending on how you connect your cat-back)... I suggest buying them from a place like Verocious eBay store, where they're $7 each.
eBay Store - Verocious Motorsports: Accuseal Exhaust Clamps
Here's Zoom's thread from when he bought a set to see if he could bash on them...
ClubGP Post
Mine is the actual set in the old eBay pics, on the blue blanket, I think.
I'm not going to defend SSAC, as they obviously made exact copies of SLP's (using slightly better stainless, but stopping short without coating). The consensus has been that their welds can be sloppy in the tricky spots, so that's the main concern I've always heard from buyers over the years. A visual inspection before install is about all it takes, as with any part you buy.
I can take pics tomorrow, if needed. I cleaned them up during some engine work last May, but after forgetting to clean them as summer rolled on, they're no longer show quality, but still in perfect running order.
- Dave
Last edited by dezldave961; 07-16-2008 at 09:13 PM.
I think that I am going to buy me a set and see how it goes. Im not really to concearned about the show quality look it is just my Daily beater. I just wanted to make sure they were a close fit. Can't beat 250 shipped. FNA!! Will I need anything else with these other than the clamps? Like gaskets and where do I get them from?
Stock flange gaskets are good forever, had mine apart about 10-15 times over the years... I have no clue why people go to FelPro's, since those require replacement everytime, from then on.
You'll just need the O2 harness extension (ZZP or custom), a cat-back gasket (vendor or parts store), and the typical items for this type of work (copper RTV for slip-fits, anti-sieze for O2 threads).
Best thing to do is wipe them clean after install, to get the majority of the hand-grime off before your initial install. They turn gold as soon as the car starts, beginning at the flange & moving down the pipes after a minute or two. Maybe take a vid, just for something fun to re-watch.
- Dave
I also have these, and my only complaints are the same ones Dave said. Performance wise the are the same as the slp headers. I paid 212.00 shipped.
They were originally on ebay for $189+shp a year or so back.
(I paid $175 shipped for the original set, plus we split half of the dyno testing cost... so basically I paid for the manifold runs, and they paid for the header ones back then.)
- Dave
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