deciding between headers

[2000GTP]

I'm looking at the ZZP and TOG headers, I like them both, but im afraid of losing torque with the ZZP headers because the primaries are so huge. I found out that 3800performance still sells the TOG's and they are looking pretty good, anyone have opinions on what I should get?

[99prixgt]

just get togs

[2000GTP]

just get togs

yea thats what i was thinking. they are slightly cheaper too.when i get them i guess im gonna order a tog downpipe from zzp with cat

[QwikGT]

it doesnt matter if you lose torque, all you have to do is drop a pulley and it magically comes back.

[2000GTP]

it doesnt matter if you lose torque, all you have to do is drop a pulley and it magically comes back.

hmm true dat! haha what is your opinion nick? i will say the zzp headers are alot of money, but i love them the design just looks awesome.

[99prixgt]

someone on here had a slight install problem with the zzp's

[2000GTP]

i think i heard of that too, but they said it was from the first batch and they have fixed it

[QwikGT]

i found my TOG's brand new on craigslist. i got em for $400....i typed "the other guys headers" into google and it brought me to washington DC craigslist. i emailed the kid and he was willing to ship. all i had to buy was the ZZP DP. search the club gp classifieds as they have more members on there than we do. i have no complaints from my TOG's

[blueguy]

TDC did...but then I helped Reptile install them and they were a piece of cake...took about an hour or so to get some totally sealed and the car started. Took about 2 HOURS to get the Pacesetter's OFF. Besides...I still love my Pacesetter's and getting past the couple leaks that they had I loved the price

[2000GTP]

yea only thing i'd be worried about with used headers would be possible warping

[blueguy]

yea only thing i'd be worried about with used headers would be possible warping

I would be too IMO. Just save some extra bones and buy em new.

[Sabrewings]

When you look at the price of TOGs plus a DP, I don't see why you don't just get the ZZP headers.

[QwikGT]

i like my TOGs, i say F ZZP and theyre crappy-ness. im so done with that company after the circus with my SSM90 kit

[TDCRacing]

I say get the tog's. Mainly because of the apearance and the way that they are made.

[Sabrewings]

i like my TOGs, i say F ZZP and theyre crappy-ness. im so done with that company after the circus with my SSM90 kit

Except that ZZP's headers are actually really good. I've seen the fitment first hand, and the quality of welds is better than any other headers for the 3800.

[QwikGT]

they are made well outside, look inside the primaries and the welds are quite ugly

[Sabrewings]

they are made well outside, look inside the primaries and the welds are quite ugly

I have. The set I saw a couple weeks ago (and was purchased only a week before that) were perfect. Looked just like the picture on ZZP's site. I'll post up pics of my set just to show. I'll have them early next month.

[QwikGT]

i was talking about my TOG's
i havent seen anyone with ZZP's yet.

[Sabrewings]

i was talking about my TOG's
i havent seen anyone with ZZP's yet.

Ah, gotcha.

[QwikGT]

jeff whats the plan rockers or cam?