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smaller primary headers will make better torque. nothing wrong with s&s headers. ron is planing on going 11's this season with them.
as for the pacesetters there not that bad. all i did was clamp the y and its fine. its not hard at all. for the money i cant complain one bit.
Can you please show some examples I am going to order this soon and what kind of MAGNAFLOW CAT did you use 3" to 3" right and at what angle should I install the CAT. Is it easier to have the cat put in before installation or should I have someone weld it later when it is on the car so they can mesure the angle. Also where do you get these Torca AccuSeal clamps. I just ordered the SSAC Headers. Mabey in a few months before I have to renew the Reg and go to Inspection then I will get the ZZP DP and put the cat in any differance in the Tuning for CAT or No CATQuote:
Originally Posted by dezldave961
Yes, it's the 3" cat that ZZP sells. I don't think it's available much cheaper elsewhere anymore. You won't need a "dp" from them, just a 3" interlock flex section if the "tick" annoys you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobmh27
Torca AccuSeals are cheapest here: Mandrel Bending Solutions - ebay store
Tuning won't be much difference. It should flow pretty close at a modest boost level. I'll take pics of the car that got that setup in the picture installed, soon.
- Dave
thanks that link is for 2.25 inch is that correct or should it be 3" ZZP is also out f stock onthe 3" Flex
2.25 (2-1/4) is for the crossover, two required. The 3" version would only be needed (2) if you were installing the "race pipe" from SSAC on the dp, rather than welding it together or welding a cat in place.
I'm sure ZZP will have flex's back in stock soon, as they use them for alot of things (headers, d/p's, turbo kits, separate sale).
- Dave
the only one they offer on the site is with a 3" dp
im running welded ceramic pace setters and love every minute of em :)
All of the common headers use 3" d/p setups included with their collector design. They use an adapter at the cat-back flange to go to 2.5" for working with any stock/aftermarket exhaust meant to be interchangeable. If you had a 3" exhaust, you'd just need to do a different flange at the last piece of the setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobmh27
- Dave
S&S exit as 2.5". no step downs for an aftermarket catback.
thanks I ordered the Clamps and the Headers so I hope to have them soon ZZP said 1 to 2 weeks till the Flex section is goingto be avail. I guess I will use it like it comes for now Cause my exhaust is getting loud because of the leak and starting to produce KR of about 2 to 3 degrees when under mid acceleration
Yes, as why I mentioned "common". S&S is a very low volume part on the market. Even in 2003 I chose not to buy them, for a few reasons. Anywho, you can squeeze water from a rock with the right device, and you can squeeze low 12's from S&S's with enough mods to run 11's on 1-5/8" headers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bio248
(I remember the days when 1-3/4" primary X-TOG's were not bought by anyone making less than 375whp, with good cause. Pretty sure P/S just grabbed pipe from their LS1 stash & started building for GP's, but don't let that stop the marketing of "better for s/c setups"... Ahh to watch the market evolve.)
- Dave
i like my smaller primaries and if my car ever runs 11s then ill have spent too much money on it. im good with 12s. i like torque, screw top end.
hey, finally a thread where people realize that bigger isn't always better. That's the biggest thing I don't like about the SSAC headers, they only come with 1 3/4" primaries.
i have the old school pacesetters and i think they are 1 7/8's not sure tho.
i bought them because they were cheap and frankly dident know anything about headers..
I bought mine because I AM cheap and knew they get the job done for a decent price.
yea i cant complain they work great.
SSAC's primaries are 1-5/8in, just like SLP's & TOG's. This is the common size, as it was the best fit our exhaust port outlet, and seems to extract the proper amount for our engine airflow.
PS's and ZZP's primaries are 1-3/4in, as were Xtreme TOG's.
There were also a very limited offering of TOG Big Dog headers with 2" primaries... only the 10-sec s/c cars of JohnT (MP112/spray) and the BadSSEi (KB blowzilla) ran these, as far as I know. I doubt many others even attempted them, as folks like Jamhoney (Gen V) have gotten to low-low 11's with TOG's and X-TOG's.
- Dave
are you sure the SSACs are 1 5/8? They list them as 1 3/4, but their specs are pretty suspect. If they are 1 5/8, that's good news.
I was thinking the Big Dogs were 1 7/8, too. Doesn't really matter, though, since they're long gone.
I didn't guess these numbers, I know them. I've owned and installed over 10 sets of SSAC's myself, along with working with every other style I listed, except ZZP's* & Big Dogs (but I'm also old enough to remember reading their product description many times). SSAC's are 1.625" OD primary tubes (1-5/8"). Zoomer also confirmed this, back when they got popular and he thought he could buy a set to disprove their worth, and couldn't.
*will be installing a ZZP set for a customer next month, only because he didn't ask about options before ordering headers for $900 instead of $350
SSAC's description was some lazy marketing employee's sloppy copy-paste job of PaceSetter specs. I've emailed them asking to revise this number and the other error, since they short-change themselves by not properly saying how they're a 300-grade of stainless, NOT mild steel. Even though they obviously get alot of orders, it seems this description isn't something they're worried about editing.
- Dave
Well, as I said, that's very good news. I must have missed it when Zoomer was testing them, I've been kind of in and out of the community, but I was also around during the time of the Big Dogs. As I said, it's neither here nor there at this point, anyway. You've done far more on these cars than just about anyone around, so I'll just drop it.