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  1. #1 Problems Starting after Engine Replacement. 
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    Ok, a while back I Lost Cyl #4 in my 97 GTP with 180k on the clock. So after a call to Ed I have a 02 Regal L67 and Trans. Drop it in and hook everything up. But now when I go to start it, it just keeps turning over, I can hear the fuel pump priming(primed multiple times) but it wont fire.

    Am I missing something?
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    check ignition module, pcm may need to be programmed for that engine (I had one from a riviera that had to be programed, but one from a camaro didn't)
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    did you keep the 97 pcm and engine harness? if you did, then you needed to swap the sensors in the motor you put in. the electrics are different in the 97 cars. either that or swap the pcm and wiring harness for an 02.
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    nice catch, I forgot it was different years
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    I kept the 97 PCM and harness but I do have a N* and LQ4 MAF and tune for that. Does anyone know what other sensors need to be swapped?
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    pretty much all of them I think are different
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    isnt the ckp different? did the motor come with a balancer too? how about the icm/cmp/ckp harness? if so, that harness could be bad if you used it.

    have a scanner? any codes? could possibly be a theft problem?
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    The plugs arnt getting spark.

    The engine came with a balancer(full drop out from charger to oil pan). I've tried swapping the following:

    ICM, Coil Packs, ICM wire harness.

    Could the Crank Posistion Sensor in the 02 Regal Engine be causing the problem of no spark?
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    crank sensor is same part number for both according to partsamerica.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by archemedes View Post
    crank sensor is same part number for both according to partsamerica.com

    the sensor may be the same, but i think perhaps it is the pcm harness pinout that is different.

    you need to get ahold of the 02 regal pcm pinout and the 97 pinout for your pcm and compare/swap pins around.
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    here is the pinout reference for the 97. ill get the 02 in a second...

    Document ID# 106977
    1997 Pontiac Grand Prix


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Engine Controls Connector End Views
    PCM 80-Way Blue Connector C1 Details



    Connector Part Information
    Blue PCM Connector C1

    Body - 12160549
    TPA - 12160569
    Terminals - 12084913
    Shield - 12160921

    Pin
    Wire Color
    Circuit No.
    Function
    Component Connector Cavity
    DTC(s) Affected
    Possible Symptoms From a Faulty Circuit

    1
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    2
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    3
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    4
    Lt Blu/Blk
    647
    18X Reference
    ICM C
    P0336
    Intermittent fault will cause engine miss/cut-out, Inoperative Tachometer

    5
    Blk
    630
    Camshaft Position PCM Input
    ICM F
    P0341
    Intermittent fault will cause engine miss/cut-out

    6
    Yel
    400
    VSS High
    VSS B
    P0502
    Speedometer inoperative, late/harsh shifting, chuggle

    Cruise Control Disabled

    7
    Red/ Blk
    1230
    Automatic Transmission Input (Shaft) Speed Sensor (AT ISS Sensor) (VIN 1 Only )
    Transmission Connector S
    P0716/P0717
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    8
    Dk Grn/Wht
    465
    Fuel Pump Relay
    Fuel Pump Relay 85/A5
    None
    Stall/no start

    9
    Lt Blu/Wht
    1747
    IAC A High
    IAC C
    P0506/P0507
    High or low idle, stalling

    10
    Lt Grn/Blk
    444
    IAC B Low
    IAC B
    P0506/P0507
    High or low idle, stalling

    11
    Lt Blu/Blk
    1748
    IAC A Low
    IAC D
    P0506/P0507
    High or low idle, stalling

    12
    Lt Grn/Wht
    1749
    IAC B High
    IAC A
    P0506/P0507
    High or low idle, stalling

    13
    Dk Grn/Wht
    817
    4K/Mi Speed
    Go to Vehicle Speed Sensor, Cruise
    None
    Speedometer inoperative, Cruise Control inoperative

    14
    Orn/Blk
    463
    Traction Control Desired Torque (With Traction Control System RPO NW9 Only )
    EBTCM Connector C3 Cavity B
    P1571
    Traction Control disabled, Traction OFF Lamp illuminated

    15
    Tan
    800
    Serial Data
    Go to Power, Ground, MIL, DLC
    --
    --

    16
    Gry
    416
    5 Volt Reference A
    TP Sensor C, MAP Sensor C, and EGR Valve D
    P1635, P0101, P0122, P1107, P1122, P1406
    Late shifting, incorrect/rough idle, stalling, surging

    17
    Gry
    474
    5 Volt Reference B
    A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor B, Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor C
    P1639, P0530
    A/C compressor inoperative

    18
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    19
    Pnk
    439
    Ignition Feed
    Go to Power, Ground, MIL, DLC
    P0560
    No start

    20
    Orn
    540
    Battery Feed
    Go to Power, Ground, MIL, DLC
    P0560
    No start

    21
    Blk/Wht
    451
    PCM Ground
    Go to Power, Ground, MIL, DLC
    None
    Intermittent symptoms

    22
    Brn
    418
    TCC PWM Solenoid Driver
    Transaxle Connector C (VIN K), T (VIN 1)
    P1860
    Refer to 4T60-E(Vin K)

    4T65-E(Vin1)

    23
    Gry
    1724
    Boost Control Solenoid (ODM A Output 5) (VIN 1 Only )
    Boost Control Solenoid B
    P1645, P1257
    Rough Idle, Reduced Performance

    24
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    25
    Brn/Wht
    419
    MIL Driver
    Go to Power, Ground, MIL, DLC
    P1641
    No MIL, MIL ON Steady

    26
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    27
    Lt Grn
    497
    Fuel Pump Speed Control (VIN 1 Only )
    Fuel Pump Speed Control Relay 85/A3
    P1643
    Noisy fuel pump (Pump operates in high speed only ), Lean condition during high load conditions (Pump operates in normal speed only )

    28
    Tan/Blk
    422
    TCC Enable Solenoid Driver (VIN K Only )
    Transaxle Connector D
    P1860
    Refer to 4T60-E AutomaticTransaxle Diagnosis

    29
    Gry
    435
    EGR Control
    EGR Valve A
    P1406, P1635
    Incorrect/rough idle, lack of power, chuggle

    30
    Dk Grn/Wht
    428
    EVAP Canister Purge Driver
    EVAP Canister Purge Solenoid B
    P1655, P0441, P1441
    Rough idle

    31
    Dk Blu
    473
    Fan 2 Driver (High Speed)
    Go to Coolant Fans schematic
    P1652
    High Speed Fans inoperative, High Speed Secondary Fan ON all the time, incorrect idle, possible overheating condition

    32
    Dk Grn
    335
    Fan 1 Driver (Low Speed)
    Go to Coolant Fans schematic
    P1651
    Low Speed Fans inoperative, Low Speed Fans ON all the time, incorrect idle, possible overheating condition

    33
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    34
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    35
    Dk Grn/Wht
    459
    A/C Compressor Clutch Relay Driver
    A/C Compressor Relay F8/86
    P1654
    Incorrect/rough idle A/C compressor inoperative

    36
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    37
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    38
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    39
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    40
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    41
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    42
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    43
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    44
    Ppl/wht
    430
    3X Reference
    ICM D
    P1374
    Stalls, sets DTC on restart

    45
    Red/Blk
    453
    Reference Low
    ICM L
    --
    Intermittent Symptoms

    46
    Dk Blu/Wht
    1231
    Automatic Transmission Input (Shaft) Speed Sensor (A/T ISS Sensor) (VIN 1 Only )
    Transmission Connector V
    P0716/P0717
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    47
    Ppl
    401
    VSS Low
    VSS / TOSS A
    P0503F
    Speedometer inoperative, late/harsh shifting, chuggle, Cruise Control Disabled

    48
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    49
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    50
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    51
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    52
    Tan/Blk
    424
    Bypass
    ICM B
    P1361
    Incorrect/rough idle, lack of power

    53
    Wht
    423
    Ignition Control (IC)
    ICM A
    P1350, P1361
    Incorrect/rough idle, lack of power

    54
    Yel
    492
    MAF Signal
    MAF Sensor A
    P0101, P0102, P0103
    Reduced performance

    55
    Dk Blu
    229
    Theft Deterrent
    Theft Deterrent A3
    1626/1629
    Stall/No Start

    56
    Blk
    452
    Sensor Ground
    ECT Sensor A, TP Sensor A, MAP Sensor A, IAT Sensor A, A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor A, EGR Valve B, Transmission Connector G (VIN K) M (VIN 1)
    P0108, P0118, P0123, P0530, P0713, P1106, P1115, P1121, P1406
    Incorrect/rough idle, lack of power late/harsh shifting, chuggle, A/C compressor inoperative, Fuel gauge inoperative

    57
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    58
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    59
    Dk Grn
    1809
    Class 2 Data
    DLC 2
    None
    No scan tool data

    60
    Blk/Wht
    451
    PCM Ground

    None
    Intermittent symptoms

    61
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    62
    Dk Grn/Wht
    762
    A/C Request
    A/C Controller Connector C2 Cavity B
    P0530
    A/C Compressor inoperative

    63
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    64
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    65
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    66
    Ppl
    1986
    EVAP Canister Purge Vacuum Switch B
    P1441
    --

    67
    Ppl
    420
    TCC Brake Switch
    TCC Brake Switch D
    --
    Refer to 4T60-E (VIN K) / 4T65-E (VIN 1) AutomaticTransaxle Diagnosis

    68
    Pnk
    339
    EGR Ignition Positive Voltage
    Go to Engine Data Sensors-A/C Refrigerant Pressure, TP, MAP, ECT, IAT
    P0401, P1406, P0133, P0135, P0141
    Fuse blown, EGR Pintle Position error on scan tool varies excessively

    69
    Blk/Wht
    771
    Transaxle Range Signal A
    Trans Range / Park Neutral Position Switch D
    P0705, P0706
    Idle flare when clutch is disengaged

    70
    Brn
    1174
    Engine Oil Level Switch
    Oil Level Switch A
    --
    Low Oil Lamp ON for 7 minute after startup

    71
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    72
    776
    Wht
    Transaxle Range Signal P
    Trans Range / Park Neutral Position Switch A
    P0705, P0706
    PCM defaults to D4 Gear select Position

    73
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    74
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    75
    Wht
    85
    Cruise Status
    SMCC II Cruise Control Module J
    P1554
    --

    76
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    77
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    78
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    79
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    80
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    PCM 80-Way Clear Connector C2 Details



    Connector Part Information
    Clear PCM Connector C2

    Body - 12160549
    TPA - 1216056A
    Terminals - 12084913
    Shield - 12160921

    Pin
    Wire Color
    Circuit No.
    Function
    Component Connector Cavity
    DTC(s) Affected
    Possible Symptoms From a Faulty Circuit

    1
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    2
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    3
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    4
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    5
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    6
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    7
    Brn/Wht
    1173
    Oil Oil level Lamp Control
    Go to Indicator Lamps
    DTC 1672
    No Oil Lamp,Lamp On Steady

    8
    Gry
    803
    Change Oil Soon Lamp Control
    Go to Indicator Lamps
    --
    No Oil Lamp,Lamp On Steady

    9
    Wht
    121
    Tachometer Indicator Control
    Go to Indicator Lamps
    --
    Inoperative Tachometer

    10
    Dk Grn
    35
    Hot Lamp
    Go to Indicator Lamps
    DTC 1673
    No Oil Lamp,Lamp On Steady

    11
    Lt Grn
    1222
    Shift Solenoid A Driver
    Transmission Connector A
    P0753
    Refer to 4T60-E (VIN K) / 4T65-E (VIN 1) Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    12
    Lt Grn
    432
    Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor
    MAP Sensor B
    P0107, P0108, P1106, P1107
    Default Manifold Absolute Pressure and BARO

    13
    Dk Grn
    83
    Cruise Inhibit Driver
    SMCC II Cruise Control Module H
    P1662
    Cruise Control inoperative

    14
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    15
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    16
    Brn
    25
    Generator Lamp Control
    Go to Indicator Lamps
    DTC 1663
    No Oil Lamp,Lamp On Steady

    17
    Yel/Blk
    1223
    Shift Solenoid B Driver
    Transmission Connector B
    P0758
    Refer to 4T60-E (VIN K) / 4T65-E (VIN 1) Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    18
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    19
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    20
    Lt Blu/Wht
    1229
    Pressure Control Solenoid Valve low
    Solenoid D
    P0748
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    21
    Blk/Wht
    451
    PCM Ground
    Go to Indicator Lamps
    None
    Intermittent Symptoms

    22
    Pnk/Blk
    1746
    Injector Cylinder 3
    Injector Connector B
    P1200, P0300
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Missing, Flashing MIL

    23
    Yel
    772
    Transaxle Range Signal B
    Trans Range / Park Neutral Position Switch B
    P0705, P0706
    --

    24
    Lt Grn/Blk
    1745
    Injector Cylinder 2
    Injector ConnectorB
    P1200, P0300
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Missing, Flashing MIL

    25
    Gry
    773
    Transaxle Range Signal C
    Trans Range / Park Neutral Position Switch C
    P0705, P0706
    --

    26
    Blk
    1744
    Injector Cylinder 1
    Injector Connector B
    P1200, P0300
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Missing, Flashing MIL

    27
    Pnk
    1224
    Trans Fluid Pressure Switch A Input
    Transmission Connector N
    --
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    28
    Yel/Blk
    846
    Injector Cylinder 6
    Injector Connector B
    P1200, P0300
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Missing, Flashing MIL

    29
    Dk Blu
    1225
    Trans Fluid Pressure Switch B Input
    Transmission Connector R
    --
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    30
    Blk/Wht
    845
    Injector Cylinder 5
    Injector Connector B
    P1200, P0300
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Missing, Flashing MIL

    31
    Red
    1226
    Trans Fluid Pressure Switch C Input
    Transmission Connector P
    --
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    32
    Lt Blu/Blk
    844
    Injector Cylinder 4
    Injector Connector B
    P1200, P0300
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Missing, Flashing MIL

    33
    Dk Blu
    1493
    Performance Shift switch Input
    Sw A

    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    34
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    35
    Red
    225
    Generator Control
    Generator L
    P0560
    Charging system inoperative, Generator lamp commanded ON

    36
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    37
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    38
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    39
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    40
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    41
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    42
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    43
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    44
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    45
    Ppl
    412
    HO2S 1 Signal
    HO2S 1 B
    P0131, P0132, P0133, P0134
    Open loop fuel control, incorrect/rough idle

    46
    Tan
    413
    HO2S 1 Low
    HO2S 1 A
    P0134
    Open loop fuel control, incorrect/rough idle

    47
    Ppl/Wht
    1668
    HO2S 2 Signal
    HO2S 2 B
    P0137, P0138, P0140
    --

    48
    Tan/Wht
    1669
    HO2S 2 Low
    HO2S 2 A
    P0140
    --

    49
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    50
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    51
    Tan
    472
    Intake Air Temperature Sensor
    IAT Sensor B
    P0112, P0113, P1111, P1112
    --

    52
    Yel
    410
    Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor
    ECT Sensor B
    P0117, P0118, P1114, P1115
    Hard Start, Incorrect/Rough Idle, Cooling Fans Commanded On

    53
    Dk Blu
    417
    Throttle Position Sensor
    TP Sensor B
    P0122, P0123, P1121, P1122
    Late/Harsh Shifting, TPS Default

    54
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    55
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    56
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    57
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    58
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    59
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    60
    Blk/Wht
    451
    PCM Ground
    Go to Power, Ground, MIL, DLC
    --
    Intermittent symptoms

    61
    Red/Blk
    1228
    Pressure Control Solenoid Valve High
    Transmission Connector C
    P0748
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    62
    Gry
    23
    Generator F Terminal
    Generator F
    --
    Volts Lamp ON

    63
    Dk Blu
    496
    Knock Sensor Signal 1
    Knock Sensor
    P0327
    Default Knock Retard commanded

    64
    Lt Blu
    1876
    Knock Sensor signal 2
    Knock Sensor
    P0327
    Default Knock Retard commanded

    65
    Brn
    1456
    EGR Pintle Position
    EGR Valve C
    P1406
    Incorrect/Rough Idle, Cuts-out/Misses, Chuggles

    66
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    67
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    68
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    69
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    70
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    71
    Yel/Blk
    1227
    Transaxle Fluid Temperature Sensor
    Transaxle ConnectorF (VIN K), L (VIN 1)
    P0712, P0713
    Refer to 4T60-E (VIN K) / 4T65-E (VIN 1) Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    72
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    73
    Red/Blk
    380
    A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor
    A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor C
    P0530
    A/C Compressor Inoperative

    74
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    75
    Yel
    657
    TCC Release Switch Input
    Transmission Connector U
    P1887
    Refer to 4T65-E Automatic Transaxle Diagnosis

    76
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    77
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    78
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    79
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --

    80
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --
    --



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    here an 02 regal

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    Powertrain Control Module Connector End Views
    Table 1: Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Connector C1
    Table 2: Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Connector C2


    Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Connector C1



    Connector Part Information
    12191110

    80-Way F Micro-Pack 100W Series, Sealed (BLU)

    Pin
    Wire Color
    Circuit No.
    Function

    1
    BLK
    2762
    Low Reference

    2-3
    --
    --
    Not Used

    4
    LT GRN
    1222
    1-2 Shift Solenoid Valve Control

    5
    DK BLU
    473
    High Speed Cooling Fan Relay Control

    6
    DK GRN
    335
    Low Speed Cooling Fan Relay Control

    7
    BLK
    630
    Camshaft Position Signal

    8
    PPL/WHT
    430
    Low Resolution Engine Speed Signal

    9
    LT BLU/BLK
    647
    Medium Resolution Engine Speed Signal

    10
    GRY
    2704
    5 Volt Reference

    11
    --
    --
    Not Used

    12
    BLK
    2761
    Low Reference

    13
    ORN/BLK
    469
    Low Reference

    14-15
    --
    --
    Not Used

    16
    BLK/WHT
    451
    Ground

    17
    BLK
    2760
    Low Reference

    18
    --
    --
    Not Used

    19
    PPL
    1500
    Ignition 0 Voltage

    20
    ORN
    540
    Battery Positive Voltage

    21
    --
    --
    Not Used

    22
    PNK
    1224
    Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch Signal A

    23-27
    --
    --
    Not Used

    28
    TAN/WHT
    1669
    HO2S Low Signal

    29
    TAN
    413
    HO2S Low Signal

    30
    PPL
    420
    TCC Brake Switch/Cruise Control Release Signal

    31
    BLK
    2753
    Low Reference

    32
    GRY
    435
    EGR Solenoid Low Control

    33
    DK BLU
    496
    KS (1) Signal

    34
    LT BLU
    1876
    Knock Sensor 2 Signal

    35-37
    --
    --
    Not Used

    38
    LT GRN/WHT
    1749
    IAC Coil B High Control

    39-42
    --
    --
    Not Used

    43
    YEL/BLK
    846
    Fuel Injector 6 Control

    44
    YEL/BLK
    1223
    2-3 Shift Solenoid Valve Control

    45
    PNK/BLK
    429
    AIR Solenoid Control (L36)

    45
    --
    --
    Not Used (L67)

    46
    LT BLU/BLK
    844
    Fuel Injector 4 Control

    47
    BLK/WHT
    845
    Fuel Injector 5 Control

    48
    RED/BLK
    453
    Low Reference

    49-52
    --
    --
    Not Used

    53
    TAN/BLK
    424
    IC Timing Signal

    54
    WHT
    423
    IC Timing Control

    55
    DK GRN/WHT
    817
    Vehicle Speed Signal

    56
    BLK/WHT
    451
    Ground

    57
    BLK/WHT
    451
    Ground

    58
    DK GRN
    1049
    PCM Class 2 Serial Data

    59
    --
    --
    Not Used

    60
    BLK/WHT
    451
    Ground

    61
    BLK
    2752
    Low Reference

    62
    DK BLU/WHT
    1231
    AT ISS Low Signal

    63
    RED/BLK
    1230
    AT ISS High Signal

    64
    YEL
    400
    Signal High-Front

    65
    PPL
    401
    Signal Low-Front

    66-67
    --
    --
    Not Used

    68
    YEL
    772
    Transmission Range Switch Signal B

    69
    YEL
    492
    MAF Sensor Signal

    70
    --
    --
    Not Used

    71
    ORN/BLK
    463
    Requested Torque Signal (67)

    71
    --
    --
    Not Used (L36)

    72
    DK GRN
    83
    Cruise Control Inhibit Signal

    73
    LT GRN/BLK
    1745
    Fuel Injector 2 Control

    74-75
    --
    --
    Not Used

    76
    DK GRN/WHT
    428
    EVAP Canister Purge Solenoid Control

    77-78
    --
    --
    Not Used

    79
    BLK
    1744
    Fuel Injector 1 Control

    80
    BLK
    2751
    Low Reference



    Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Connector C2



    Connector Part Information
    12191110

    80-Way F Micro-Pack 100W Series, Sealed (CLR)

    Pin
    Wire Color
    Circuit No.
    Function

    1
    --
    --
    Not Used

    2
    WHT
    1310
    EVAP Canister Vent Solenoid Control

    3
    DK GRN/WHT
    465
    Fuel Pump Relay Control

    4
    WHT
    257
    EGR Solenoid High Control

    5
    BRN/WHT
    419
    MIL Control

    6
    --
    --
    Not Used

    7
    LT BLU/WHT
    1747
    IAC Coil A High Control

    8
    --
    --
    Not Used

    9
    TAN/BLK
    464
    Delivered Torque Signal (L67)

    9
    --
    --
    Not Used (L36)

    10
    PPL
    412
    HO2S High Signal

    11
    PPL/WHT
    1668
    HO2S High Signal

    12-15
    --
    --
    Not Used

    16
    WHT
    776
    Transmission Range Switch Signal P

    17
    RED
    1226
    Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch Signal C

    18
    BLK/WHT
    771
    Transmission Range Switch Signal A

    19
    TAN/BLK
    231
    Oil Pressure Switch Signal

    20 -21
    --
    --
    Not Used

    22
    DK GRN/WHT
    762
    A/C Request Signal

    23
    PPL
    806
    Crank Voltage

    24
    PNK
    439
    Ignition 1 Voltage

    25
    LT GRN
    432
    MAP Sensor Signal

    26
    YEL
    410
    ECT Sensor Signal

    27
    RED/BLK
    380
    A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Signal

    28
    BRN
    1456
    EGR Valve Position Signal

    29
    --
    --
    Not Used

    30
    GRY/BLK
    2702
    5 Volt Reference

    31-32
    --
    --
    Not Used

    33
    GRY
    2701
    5 Volt Reference

    34
    GRY
    474
    5 Volt Reference

    35
    BLK
    452
    Low Reference

    36-38
    --
    --
    Not Used

    39
    DK GRN/WHT
    459
    A/C Compressor Clutch Relay Control

    40-41
    --
    --
    Not Used

    42
    PNK/BLK
    1746
    Fuel Injector 3 Control

    43
    --
    --
    Not Used

    44
    LT BLU/BLK
    1748
    IAC Coil A Low Control

    45
    RED/BLK
    1228
    PC Solenoid Valve High Control - Sol. A

    46
    LT BLU/WHT
    1229
    PC Solenoid Valve Low Control - Sol. A

    47-48
    --
    --
    Not Used

    49
    LT GRN/BLK
    444
    IAC Coil B Low Control

    50
    TAN
    472
    IAT Sensor Signal

    51-54
    --
    --
    Not Used

    55
    DK GRN
    890
    Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Signal

    56
    GRY
    773
    Transmission Range Switch Signal C

    57
    DK BLU
    1225
    Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch Signal B

    58
    BRN
    1174
    Oil Level Switch Signal

    59
    WHT
    85
    Cruise Control Engaged Signal

    60
    --
    --
    Not Used

    61
    RED
    225
    Generator Turn On Signal

    62
    --
    --
    Not Used

    63
    YEL
    657
    TCC Release Switch Signal

    64-65
    --
    --
    Not Used

    66
    DK BLU
    417
    TP Sensor Signal

    67
    --
    --
    Not Used

    68
    YEL/BLK
    1227
    TFT Sensor Signal

    69
    PPL
    1589
    Fuel Level Sensor Signal - Primary

    70-74
    --
    --
    Not Used

    75
    BRN
    436
    AIR Pump Relay Control (L36)

    75
    --
    --
    Not Used (L67)

    76
    YEL/BLK
    625
    Starter Enable Relay Control

    77
    GRY
    1724
    Boost Control Solenoid Control (l67)

    77
    --
    --
    Not Used (L36)

    78
    BRN
    418
    TCC PWM Solenoid Valve Control

    79-80
    --
    --
    Not Used



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    ^there inlays your problem. seems like you may need to swap a harness, or maybe you could program your pcm to an 02. i dont know if that will work, but it may be a shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by phat_ridegt View Post
    ^there inlays your problem. seems like you may need to swap a harness, or maybe you could program your pcm to an 02. i dont know if that will work, but it may be a shot

    the 97 pcm cannot be reprogrammed with any other year's file. it's too differnet, including physical hardware.

    you either will need to swap pcm's and engine harness, and rewire the bulkhead connector on the firewall, or move pins in the engine harness that you have at the pcm connector.
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    I found it! It ended up being the Crank Position Sensor not seating correctly.

    Now she will fire right up, thanks for the help guys!
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