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no lies, honestly to god. 1/2 of the bolts on the crossover just hanging there and it is still sealed? im still sold on these headers no matter what anyone else has to say. i would buy these things over any other set of headers including ZZP because i straight up do not trust slip fit garbage. TOGs had the right idea with the donut gaskets, but i just dont like the 3 piece design they had. i couldnt get my TOGs to seal worth dick. it is probably because the guys before me tightened them down too much and 'ovaled' out the joints, but i still think a two piece designed header is way way way way.....wwaaaaaayyy easier to install and make fit. i just wish ZZP headers weren't slip fits..
Ya S&S's seal up real well. I do have an exhaust leak however, but that's just cause a rusted chunk fell off the flange of my stock catback lol.
Is there not a cheaper place to get S&S than $717 + shipping for DP and cat'd version? I just noticed ZZP no longer has the Pacesetters up, and the only other place I can find them is WBS (who I'm not looking forward to ordering from if I have to). They're only $360 though...
im not sure if WBS actually still sells them because i think they are turning into a ZZP distributor. if i were to do it again i would buy uncoated ones and wrap them myself to save money and have a more performance oriented header.
I despise header wrap, so I'll probably be getting whatever I buy coated.
I still like the Pacesetters with band clamps.
yea... zzp ftw... cant wait to get those beastly headers
I've seen it...I wanna keep my lunch down thanks thoughLMAO!! jk man!!
I know your all for go and no show
But damn Brian...post a pic of those ZZP headers NOW...all gold and pimpin' and shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit lol
Damn Reptile, those headers sure are purdy! Makes me want to go polish mine up a bit.
One of the problems that people have with TOG's is that during a batch (the first batch under the new ownership i believe) the flange on the rear header that connects to the crossover can be a little bit awkward. I had some issues with that, as did the guy that I bought my TOG's from.
Here's one guy's solution.....
I'm told that TOG updated the design and all of the recent batches have been perfectly fine.
Also - I know that alot of people have issues with the trans dipstick, but for those of you with the '04-'05 Monte Carlo and Impala SS's, I think they updated the dipstick style for the L67 for those years and it fits just fine. I didn't have to bend mine and it isn't touching anything (or even close to doing so). Other guys with the '04-'05 L67 have said the same thing (most of them had actually bought the pre-bent dipstick tube beforehand and realized it matched theirs exactly)
In fact, I heard a rumor that the "pre-bent" dipstick tube that some vendors sell is actually an OEM part that came exactly that way.
-Riggs.
And people were giving me crap about selling water deflectors.....where's that guy now?In fact, I heard a rumor that the "pre-bent" dipstick tube that some vendors sell is actually an OEM part that came exactly that way.
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