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  1. #1 I think my intake manifold gaskets are leaking? 
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    I wrote another thread on mentioning about replacing the gaskets as preventative maintenance. The car is an 02, 197k.

    Today I was looking around the upper intake manifold around the back and noticed coolant or something dark pooling along the bottom of the upper intake right on top of the lower intake manifold, and this pooling was going all the way the entire length of the bottom of the upper intake manifold by the fuel injectors. I looked in front along the other side by the fuel injectors and there's what appears to be coolant piddling near one or two injectors right above the upper intake manifold. I pulled the oil dipstick, and the oil looked and smelled normal. I looked at the bottom of the oil cap and it wasn't milky, but I noticed some 'condensation' that surely wasn't oil. I rubbed my finger underneath the oil cap and put the tip of my tongue on this 'liquid' that was on my finger tip from the oil cap and it tasted SWEET like coolant!!!!!! I opened the radiator cap, and it appears there's green coolant mixed with dex red carp.

    I've read that the intake gaskets are known to leak. But in my research I've also read about head gasket issues. I've also read about the upper manifold melting near the egr port and needing replaced. I've also seen a youtube video where the lower intake needed to be replaced because the red coolant corroding the lower intake surface. I've also read dormans lower intake manifolds are garbage. I'm getting a little paranoid reading all this.

    I've owned the car 3 weeks. I haven't been losing coolant or that I've noticed. It runs amazing and it DOESNT overheat or run hot. I'm getting no white smoke from the exhaust.



    So what should I do? replace the upper and lower gaskets and go from there? could my head gasket be shot?

    Are those dorman gasket kits that include a new upper intake manifold any good? they have the dorman upper manifold kits for $59.99 on eBay right here that includes the egr pipe sizes; http://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-Intak...5df13d&vxp=mtr

    auto zone sells the fel pro lower intake manifold gasket with just the gaskets and sealant for $39.99 here. should I get the lower intake gaskets from fel pro and buy that dorman kit for the upper intake online? that seems like it would have everything I need to get the job done minus having to get the coolant elbows seperate
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    I'd do a LIM gasket change, coolant flush as you should never mix anything with Dex, coolant elbows and go from there. As long as the LIM gaskets are the aluminum ones they will work. Now would also be a great time to replace the valve cover gaskets/bolt grommets to fix/prevent any future oil leaks up top.

    Oh, and head gaskets are NOT common on these motors, even it overheated. It takes a lot to break one on these motors.
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    I seen part of a gasket between the valve cover and lim and it was black and felt metal. i'm assuming this is an aluminum gasket on the lim? are these aluminum gaskets likely to leak after along time? i know the upper intake might not have been done in a while because i pulled the throttle body a few nights ago and the upper intake had lots of carbon. once i pull it and clean it, maybe that'll be the culprit of the leaking because of the plastic?

    should i buy that dorman kit on ebay that includes the upper intake manifold and all the gaskets for $59.99? then i was thinking i can just go to auto zone and buy the fel pro lim gaskets and buy some aluminum elbows for maybe $50-$60. i'd like to get the dorman kit online because it's $59.99 and includes the manifold which is almost the same price for the upper gasket kit without the manifold at auto zone. does anyone know if that dorman upper manifold kit is good?

    and yes i thought about doing the valve covers too.
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    If the gasket looked black, it's plastic.

    Aluminum gaskets are silver.

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    this gasket looked rather thick and looked black. so i'm sure it was the lower intake. i'll look closer tomorrow.
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    Am I assuming that this is a 3100?
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    Not head gaskets

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    Let's take a step back. You may be overthinking this a bit much.

    The coolant would look brown if Dex and old school green were mixed together. If you see a greenish tinge somewhere and also see Dex, then likely it's AnyColor mixed with the Dex which is perfectly fine. Since you'll be flushing it when you do a LIM job, let's say who cares about the coolant...it's getting flushed anyhow. Refill with AnyColor for ease of life when you do the LIM job.

    If you have read up around here on the UIM issues, you likely have also seen that you can plug the coolant ports on the LIM and open the turn around (How to mod a lim thread by me). This would allow you to save the expense of a UIM and never have the failure be an issue.

    It is not overly common for a LIM to be corroded enough to need a new manifold. In all my time dealing with 3800's, I have seen two on the forums that were bad enough to warrant being replaced. I have never had to replace one personally. However if you do need one, local JY would be my first stop. Plus it gives you experience taking this motor apart.

    Goo by the injectors, honestly this is more likely oil from the valve cover gaskets mixed with gunk than it is coolant. If you have puddles down in the holes of the LIM, then that may be coolant seeping up the bolt threads and oil mixed. Overall though, it's outside of the engine and not a big worry. Do the valve cover gaskets at the same time as the LIM job and ensure you replace the valve cover grommets. They provide the pressure on the gasket to seal it. You'll be swapping the injector o-rings as well.

    LIM, pretty much any 3800 that doesn't have the metal gaskets needs them done. I've seen the plastic gaskets distort without Dex being present in as little as 20K miles. Doesn't mean they were leaking, but they distorted. Do them.. do the elbows and you'll have a good running car.

    While you are there, clean the throttle body. It'll be super dirty, bring an old toothbrush and have at it.

    The moisture on the bottom of your oil cap, it's condensation. Being in MI, you get cooler weather before I do and it's definately getting cool here at night. Smile and understand that you are being a bit overparanoid with your new car. It's a good thing, but let's keep you from doing HG's when they are the least likely problem ...and you have none of the symptoms.
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    thanks Bill. however this condensation tastes sweet, so I'm guessing it's a little bit of coolant? the oil on the dipstick is normal looking but definitely will be changed after doing the gaskets. car runs really good. smooth running, riding, and really quiet. looks really good too.

    I just ordered the dorman kit on eBay with the upper manifold and gaskets. for $60 with the plastic manifold seems nice. cant hurt to replace the upper manifold. I'll buy the fel pro lower gaskets at auto zone along with the elbows. hopefully I can start ripping it apart this weekend. I'll probably post a few things with pictures if I'm unsure of some things when disassembling.
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