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but you dont need 2 ranges colder plugs, youre not forced inducted. your gas mileage will go to crap too. i did every mod N/A before i went M90 im telling you from experience. you still have the Ubend in the exhaust, those plugs are doing nothing but hurting you
im not trying to be a harda** but i went on a long trip right after installation of the plugs and got 36 mpg at 65mph and 27mpg at 80mph they actually improved it i went a total of 147 miles there and another 147 coming back it was steady the whole way no joke
well depending on what you had on before anything may have been better.....
Just a couple days ago I got 33MPG with AL605s doing an average of 80MPH with some in city heavy footed runs added in. QwikGT is right that those plugs aren't doing anything for you. Not saying to take them out immediately, but get either stock temp range or one step colder. Two steps is too much for a mostly stock car (that includes an intake, tstat, and PCM).
my car had every bolt on for N/A, rockers, DP, etc. stock plugs are fine on N/A, like i said you dont have a blower or a turbo, you do not need 2 heat range colder plugs. once i went supercharged i ran the stock plugs for a week, the car idled like crap and threw misfire codes, switched to 104's gapped at 55 and is fine now
I completely understand what you guys are saying but ive been through the ac delco's, accel, and now tr55's and im being completely fu**ing serious this is the best its ever ran im not trying to argue im just saying this is by far the best its ever ran i mean **** i just beat a 396 big block 3/4 ton pick up but the truck has a reputation its beat me like 6 times and today the first time after the v power swap it ran so much better and left him in first and second gear then traffic invaded and i was still pulling away so yeah i think ima stick with these besides before january it should by all means be supercharged so why swap now? know what i mean
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read......
the performance difference between spark plugs and what the tr55s should be used forQuote:
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okay, I'm sure that was hidden somewhere in that mess, hahaQuote:
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Goany, you should think about what you type, then look over it before you send it. I think what you're doing is talking to yourself, and writing as you go. It jumbles things up and makes it difficult for everyone to stay focused on certain things you are saying. You keep jumping back and forth, haha.
Seriously...I had to read a couple post about 9 times before I understood wtf was being said...something about a truck kicking your ass 6 times and plugs being good for your car is all I got...oh and 80mph somewhere in there too...
Here is the deal. Get some damned Autolite 605's and be done PLEASE. Gap them at .050, get a PCM, put in the 180* T-Stat as it will make your car run cooler and last longer. Which is great since it sounds like you beat the living crap out of it. The Non-HD Tranny that is in your car is WEAK. If your gonna beat the crap out of it then go get a Trannyman95 transmission from Triple Edge Performance. Get a built 4T65 with 3.29's so you NEVER break anything since I doubt that car will see low-mid 12's.
List of crap. Follow this, as it all depends on how far you are going to take your car.
1) Fix your CAI/HAI/FWI like you said you were going to do.
2) Install the 180* T-Stat
3) Get a set of Autolite 605's/Stock AC Delco plugs gapped .050" (Use a gaping tool from a local auto parts store for $.99 or have them do it for you if you don't know how to do it)
4) Get a Downpipe. 2.5", as a 3" would be OVERKILL for a GT
5) Do PEM's (Ported Exhaust Manifolds)
6) Get a catback if you want...if not go to #7
7) Install a PCM (DHP, Overkill, HP Tuned/Powertuned, etc.)
Now here is where you have reached the point of the basic mods for a GT. You can either quit modding here or continue as now it gets a bit MORE pricey.
8) Ported TB, or HV3 Upper Insert (or Both)
9) Gen IV Aluminum Upper Intake (Get rid of that plastic crap, plus if you ever turbo it, it'll handle boost pressure A LOT better)
10) HD Differential from a GTP
11) If you are not going to Turbo or Supercharge/Twincharge the car then you will want to do a cam or rockers. Good luck on tuning a Twincharged car though if you do that.
12) Here is the step you can take now. Either do a cam OR rockers. You can't do both b/c the valve lift is too high. Go with 1.84 Roller Rockers for a easy 20HP. To get a bit more out of it you can get 1.9 RR, but you have to get upgraded valve springs (such as yellow #105's from a LS6/7 V8-and they only run like 20-40 bucks on ebay). Rockers do run about $350-$450 depending on what you get. Cam is cheaper, but you need a bunch of crap to install it and the COST of installing it as well, but you will make more power with a cam. For those you will still need to run the #105's (Some don't but I would never run stock springs with a high lift cam, as I am afraid of bustin' some chit). ZZ Performance sells a cam install kit and multiple cam choices for the GT. I have the XP in my GTP and love it. REALLY rough right now at start up since it is cold but once she gets running it goes like a raped ape. If I remember right they sell either the GT1 or GT2 cam, but I am not too sure.
Now from here on PLEASE read this before you go asking questions. AND hit the damned F7 button to spellcheck yourself.
And for the racing. But it in the Kills section, not here as people are only asking performance related issues, not dealing with whatever Dodge Ram or Chevy 1500 with a 4.3 Vortec V6 or H.O. 3.5 V6 you mighta' wiped the floor with.
And for the plugs, YES, take out the NGK TR55, they are too cold a plug for hardly any mods. Put in either the Autolite 605's or stock AC Delco ones. You car will thank you.
And thank you everyone for reading my rant...and if someone could either edit it or put their input in the mod list and maybe make this s STICKY for N/A 3800 owners...if there isn't already one.
*sigh* Now I am gonna go ice my fingers as they HURT LIKE A MOFO FOR TYPING THIS IN ABOUT 3 MINUTES :(
I just want to add about the cam... the XP is a rough, loud cam. If you want a cammed car, but with a less rough idle, go with a VS cam.
I've seen the VS and XP cam both go for ~$200 used. Not bad.
Personally I think I'm going XPZ cam or turbocharged stattama. Not 100% on what I'm doing....
If you are staying N/A. DONT gap 605s at .050. That is way too small of a gap. you want a large of gap as you possibly can before the car starts blowing the spark out.
why are you putting colder plugs in a N/A engine? that makes no sense at all. especially stock. im with him.
make a FWI, put stock plugs in with the stock gap, 180tstat, 2.5 DP from zzp cat or catless (just go catless) go with ported front manifold, maybe even go ahead and upgrade the wires, if you do cam i say go with the GT cam from ZZP my buddy had one and it was really nice and provied alot of power for his regal. i have the HV3 and it makes a huge diff, you really feel it. i say do this. in order.
1. change plugs.
2. FWI
3. 180tstat
4. 2.5DP
5. Ported manifold
6. HV3.
7. Rockers (easier to install)
8. check your tranny now.
9. upgrade suspension.
lol. thats just my 0.2 cents.
I think I'm more confused now that I've read through this entire mess. My bottom line question is what are your goals? Are you going to stay N/A or go forced air? The mods that people have suggested are good to follow, and bluegtp91 did a great job of listing them for you. I guess the main thing is that you know how much money you want to spend on your car.
Ok im back yay lol i wrecked my car on ice slammed into curb and bent back suspension on passenger side but now its all good fixed and everything. Here is what ive done so far.
1.Stock plugs
2.cut off res, and mufflers
3.added one glasspac (has nice sound)
4.Fixed CAI
5.Ordered Power Chip (love the shifts it will squeal tires 1/2 the time)
6.Ordering rebuilt supercharger will be purchasing tomarrow then wait for shipping.(add TR55's back on)
7.new tires and 1 new rim (i split a rim in half when i hit curb lol)
these are plans future
8.smaller pulley
9.Pacesetter headers
10.Run true duals
Ok now for the question time. When you guys say delete the U-bend do you mean where the 02 sensor is or where lol cause that confuses me sorry
You cannot just slap the supercharger on. You have to rebuild it from the top end up if I remember correctly. You really should stop and ask questions before you start doing stuff. People here have a vast wealth of knowledge and if you ask they will help you.
dont try to make the gt fast. you will spend more money than you have and still have a slow car.
you will only get low 13s, high 12s out of a gt with heads, cam, hv3, headers, etc. its a waste of money. get a blower setup or start saving for a turbo.
you should have just bought a catless downpipe and kept the resonator and mufflers on, the 3.8 sounds like crap. i dunno what you are doing with a blower and now a set of pacesetters?
true duals are going to do nothing but slow the car down, it needs backpressure, youre going into a million directions at once i dont get it?