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    CAR: a 98 grand prix gt 3.8. 157k miles

    ISSUE: p0300 -random multiple cyl misfire, p0306 -cyl 6 misfire. some stalling at idle.

    HISTORY: car sat for a lil over a year, i bought it with a 153k miles 3 months ago. it needed a battery, starter, all new steel brake lines and the 12v ign feed to the shift and tcc solenoids. it ran great and would spin the tires at will from a stop or 5-10mph roll.
    it started stumbling/hesitating when warm if i accelearated hard off the line and wouldnt spin the tires at all anymore and also stumbled if i was cruising up hill at 40-50mph as the extra up hill load came on and i tried to maintain speed, i could WOT and it would clear up for the most part. these are the only times it stumbles.
    i found out the plugs were original ac irridium with 154k on them, carbon cracked in the porcelin, i changed them out with ac delco platinums. i found a set of new out of the box duralast plug wires and coil packs in a junkyard bonneville pass seat. so i put the wires on at the same time. it was still stumbling and also started stalling at start up and de-accelaration with low idle (400-600rpms) untill fully warmed up. i changed the fuel filter, cleaned the IAC solenoid and replaced air filter. MADE NO CHANGES. after being frustrated, i turned the idle set screw up to let it idle around 800rpms. stalling wasnt an issue any more but the stumbling is. i even swapped out all 3 coil packs, seemed to fix it for 2 days, then it CAME BACK. i thought maybe there was some crap in the tank from sitting over a year, so ive tried lots of lucas fuel treatment with 87 octane, 89/10%ethanol and 91/10%ethanol with no change except in gas mileage. it seems to run fine cold, but 5 min later warmed up it comes back.
    recently it triggered a p0306 cyl 6 misfire, i cleared it and 2 weeks later a p0300 random multiple cyl misfire came on.

    any ideas or advice? ive thought maybe the plug wires got pinched, pulled or something wasnt right with #6 since i didnt buy them new, they were new, clean and sitting in the jy bonneville seat with the box on the floor board and old wires still on the engine, same with the coil packs, but after getting the multiple cyl misfire code, that idea went away.

    not sure what these have for idle vaccuum, but this is reading between 5-7 in/hg of vac at idle and cruising. fuel pressure is around 50psi if i remember correct (whatever normal pressure is) and i believe the platinum plugs are gapped at .60" or whatever autozones computer says to gap.
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    Sounds like you have a vac leak. Put the idle screw back where it was, this isnt a carb.
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    i realize that, reason i said out of frustration i turned it up, until i figure out the problem.
    and i wish it was a simple vac leak, i even checked all what? 2-3 vac lines? its not. i have between 5-7 in/hg of vac as stated. my turbo 2.2's had a ton ov vac lines from the factory, ive replaced, simplified and rerouted a hundreds of feet of vac line over the last 11 years on mine and car club buddies cars. ive done the obvious tune up and testing what would be likely, im getting stumped.
    my dad has an old 6ft tall green and black screen diagnostic scoping machine, but hes an old carb/distributor guy, can this be hooked up to the ign coil system? if so, how and where does it hook up?

    heres what the scan tool logged as the misfire was detected at wot from a stop

    fuel sytem: OL
    load %: 100.0
    engine temp: 180f
    shortFT1 %: -.08
    longFT1 %: 5.5
    map in/hg: 7.4
    rpm: 4947
    vss: 37mph
    maf lb/min: 19.629
    throttle position % 100

    any helpful advice is appreciated. could it be a clogged cat, MAF on its way out? glitchy ignition module? it runs fine cold and acts up randomly when warm, usually predictable when it does, hard acceleration from a dead stop and uphill 45mph cruise as the load comes on.
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    alright i swapped out the ignition module and it made NO change.
    i pulled the plugs and re gapped them from .060" to .045" and it runs perfect now, not a single miss.

    plugs are ac delco platinum (rapid fire) autozone and the owners manual state .060", better just gap at .045" to avoid misfiring.
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    Ok, #1.. never ever ever run a plat plug in an SC 3800. Dunno why, but they get trashed very quick. WOTGTP didn't get a full month out of his car after the dealer put plats in. A quick swap to the worlds cheapest Autolight copper and life will be much better.
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    Yeah bill, I'm aware but this is a na 3800, we dont use platinum in our turbos either, they say it it burns off then platinum and it winds up melting to the pistons, rings or valves. I shouldve got copper auto lites but I tried to put something decent but cheaper then irridium plus back in.
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    Bill what do you gap your coppers at on non sc models?
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    .060 is a good place to start. that is what is recommended per GM.
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    .060 is stock setting
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