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    Hey, I'm new to pontiac. I recently sold my jeep and bought a 2002 grand prix gt, 3.8l series II engine.

    I paid $1350 at a used car lot with no warranty. I did look the car over, and test drove it a good while around town. Only things I noticed wrong were the front passenger side window wouldn't roll down and the drivers side front rotor was warped and glazed. There's 2 new tires on the front and all new brake pads on front and rear. The AC doesn't work. The body has NO RUST (I live in Michigan). The undercarriage has usual surface rust in some spots but not bad at all. Really the only body issues are the front bumper has a small crack and some scratches. The passenger fender has a ding. I didn't notice any engine issues or tranny issues.



    Here's the issue:

    After extended driving one day, I noticed the transmission whining. It wasn't too loud, but enough to feel it in the steering wheel and I could hear it with the window down. My shifts didn't seem off, and I didn't feel any thing going wrong. The car continued driving just fine with the whine. The following night I drove for 90 minutes straight, on the freeway, on main roads, all over town, and the whine never appeared. The next day I drove 20-30 minutes and the whine appeared again. For a few hours that day I drove around experimenting, and I noticed the whine GOES AWAY after I turn the key off and then back on. Anywhere from 3-20 seconds after turning the key off and then back on, it's GONE. It reappears AFTER I drive it for a bit, and it appears to come back sooner when the car has been warmed up. On any initial cold startup, it feels like it takes a while for the whine to appear until you drive it for a while.

    I took it to a transmission shop, the the guy there hooked up a big scanner and drove around for about 10 minutes. He came back and said he couldn't feel or hear anything wrong, and that the car was really nice and drove wonderful. He did mention there was a code for the MAP (NOT MAF) sensor and another I believe he said STORED or on memory for max adapt. He said with those codes, the car seemed to still run excellent. I asked if one of those codes can cause transmission whine and he said not really. And he mentioned a code and said that the PCM detects the transmission is taking longer to shift and it sets the code, but this wouldn't cause whining. He also said to bring it back if the whining comes back and they'll drive it for a few hours and see if anything happens. He was moving the shifter around to feel how the transmission shifts into each gear and he said he couldn't feel nothing wrong. He said something might be clogging the filter and they could just drop the pan and see if there's anything inside. He said to come back when it whines, so when I left the shop, I drove 4 blocks away, and the whining started! I was in heavy traffic so I didn't bother turning around. I also took the car to auto zone to have it scanned and the only code they got was for the MAP sensor. I guess you need a scanner tool for the transmission?

    Anyways, I researched online about max adapt, and I heard it's a extremely common problem in GM vehicles. And my car seems to fit the symptom of the whining part that disappears once you turn the key on and off, but it doesn't seem to shift hard when this whining occurs.

    Sorry for writing all this. I can't really afford a transmission rebuild right now. Do you know what transmission I have? Also, are the transgo kits any good? The mileage odometer reads 197k but runs really well. I wish I would've researched about the transmissions before I bought the car!

    The price I got it at and the condition it's in, is really good in my opinion. I just didn't think there would be a transmission problem because I test drove it for a while before buying.


    EDIT: The whining seems to appear on hot days, like 80-95 degrees fahrenheit. The night that I drove it for 90 minutes straight when the whine didn't appear, it was about 64 out, so it was much cooler.
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    A partly clogged filter can cause the whine. Have you even checked the power steering fluid level yet, because those are known to whine just like the transmission. They can whine and not be related to turning the steering wheel as some pumps are just noise makers.

    All 97+ share the same 4T65e transmission. Supercharged cars got the 4T65e HD which is literally 95% the same, minor internal parts are different but thats beside the point here. The trans-go shift kits are the best out there, installed 2 on vehicles my family owns already. Neither had codes or any issues at all but was done because I wanted them to stay fresh and the slighty quicker shifts can never hurt.

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    sounds like the p/s pump to me. its cap is hidden under and behind the alternator.

    shift kit fixes the max adapt code. and time for a new map sensor. or its wires could be damaged to the map. its in your intake manifold.

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    the whining was coming right at the transmission area. I can check the p/s pump some day though.

    it didn't have any other codes except map and Max adapt. but autozone said max adapt didn't show up on his scanner.

    should I just drop the pan and see if there's anything there? and just put on a new filter and maybe order a transgo kit and see what happens?

    also, the bolts around the torque converter and the side plate have marks on the bolts from like maybe an impact gun or socket where they were turned before. doesn't look new, maybe from sometime ago. maybe the trans was already rebuilt along time ago?
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    these trannys die all the time. its very possible its been replaced once.

    id drop the pan change the filter install a shift kit and carry on.

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    Two things cause trans whine.

    1. Fluid: either a dirty filter or low fluid level
    2. Stator support bearing. http://www.automaticchoice.com/uploa...ogue/4t65e.pdf Part 815. Here's more info http://tripleedgeperformance.com/Whine_noises.html
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    alright guys, I ordered the transgo shift kit yesterday. ill probably write more in this thread before and/or after I install it.

    also, I've heard about different transmission fluids. I'm not sure if the fluid in mine is dexmerc III or IV. does it really matter? the fluid I used a few days ago was Dexmerc III, and I only used maybe half a quart. I think ill stick to III, is this fine?
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    pull the dip stick, it should say what fluid it calls for.

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    It uses 3, keep using 3. It's cheaper and perfectly good for your trans.
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    alright got the shift kit today.

    also today, barely noticeable, but once warmed up, the car seems to have a bit of slow acceleration. it doesn't feel like the transmission though, it feels engine related. I can press the throttle half way down and the engine doesn't respond right. I drove a bit and never got the trans whine.

    I talked about a map sensor code and I still have that. I checked the wiring harness to the map and I'm getting 5 volts to it. so maybe buy a new sensor? can the map sensor cause max adapt? I don't hear any vacuum leaks, although I hear a high pitched whine nose when I rev to 3,500 rooms but it sounds like it's the air intake.
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    the map is what meters the boost. it could be the issue. whats the code?

    you changed the filter in the tranny too right?

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    i'm going to do the filter and shift kit either tomorrow or during the weekend. ive had this map sensor code since i've bought the car but i never really thought about it causing any issues because the car runs really good even with the code. the code is p0108.

    i found a youtube video where a guy was using his multi meter to test the wiring harness and i used that on my own. my meter showed the harness was getting 5 volts with the key turned to the battery position.
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    http://www.obd-codes.com/p0108 map could be bad. or the vac line is cracked. they crack @ the T under the snout all the time. you look at it hard it breaks.

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    you mean that round rubber part/gromet on the bottom of the sensor?
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    damn n/a engine faked me out again. look for busted vac lines around the engine top. spray some carb cleaner it the lines.

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    My tranny has been whining for almost 5 years now. Installed a Transgo 4 years ago, and nothing has changed. I suspect she will whine until she dies. LOL
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    I ordered a new map sensor and will put it in once I get it. hopefully that fixes it
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    Also, since i'll be dropping the trans pan and changing the filter, how many quarts of trans fluid should i get? i'm also thinking about adding a bottle of lucas stop slip. so with the stop slip added, how many quarts will i need of trans fluid?
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    takes 8 to refill it.

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    alright, I got it all done. I put a bottle of lucas stop slip and 6 quarts of fluid. I'll probably run to auto zone later and get another quart. I haven't driven it yet, but I let it run and then shifted through all gears and checked pan for leaks, so far none.

    hardest part was lining up the rubber pan gasket to the bolt holes. a real pain. other than the cleaning of everything and the pan gasket, and transmission fluid going all over a bit, it was fairly easy. the accumulator lines were 'stuck' on and I had to use quite a bit of force to pull them off. I also replaced filter which popped right off.

    the pan had no metal. the magnet had some sludgey stuff but wasn't bad. the bottom of the pan had some sludgy stuff but wasn't thick.

    I took a water hose and sprayed the old filter, and some clearish gooey white/reddiah stuff came out, is this tranny fluid reacting to cold water?

    the accumulator bolts looked like they had been 'turned' before by a socket. I thought oh no someone already installed a shift kit, but when I opened the accumulator it was the stock springs lol. so I installed the transgo kit. I have pics of the pan if anyone wants to see, but it looked pretty good.

    it took me a little over 3 hours and 80% was just cleaning everything lol
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