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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimmia View Post
    Sorry, it does NOT have to be the same formula. They have specific performance and viscosity standards, and I believe GM does say they have to use certain additives and not others, but that doesn't make it the same formula. Motor oil have standards like this set by the SAE, does that mean that all 10W-30s are the same formula?

    Dexron 6 is a standard, not a formulation.
    If Wal Mart's Super Tech decided to market an oil in the "Castrol Syntec" variety, then it would have to meet the same formulation in order to market it as that typical brand and to put the trademark name on it.

    Going by what you're saying in that last statement, then all ATF is the same as well. Which we all know not to be true.

    I understand what you're saying here, and I think we're getting our wires crossed. But if you come out and say that it's a certain brand without actually using that formula, and then try to sell it as said brand, then you're going to be stepping on toes.

    It is a standard, but it must meet or exceed that certain standard for the product. In this case, General Motors owns the right to call it DEXRON IV, and they can subsidize the contractor of whomever makes that formula under their own product name with that formula name and the "®"

    No formulas are going to be exact, and they will vary slightly on the MSDS, but you are still essentially getting the same fluid.

    Also, ASE has no bearing on what standards are to be met on motor oil. The API (American Petroleum Institute) is who sets the standards for all oil manufactured in the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimmia View Post
    Sorry, it does NOT have to be the same formula. They have specific performance and viscosity standards, and I believe GM does say they have to use certain additives and not others, but that doesn't make it the same formula. Motor oil have standards like this set by the SAE, does that mean that all 10W-30s are the same formula?

    Dexron 6 is a standard, not a formulation.
    So you are saying there is going to be Dexron 6.1 , Dexron 6.000234 cause they are different forumlas. And how can you say Dexron 6 is not a formulation? It was engineered and designed by GM. Its not like GM made a formula and said lets leave the name blank and just call it ATF Fluid.

    They named it Dexron 6 cause it is the forumla they created and I am sure patented. Any other company using their forumla and design has to note any changes in the chemical make up of the their version of ATF fluid. If they change the base properties of Dexron 6, then it is no longer Dexron 6.

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    This is absolutely ridiculous. If you guys want to believe it's the same fluid, just close your eyes and keep telling yourself that and maybe it'll come true. Dexron VI is a trademark of GM (not a patent), and to use their trademark, you have to submit your fluid for testing. As long as it passes their test and you pay them a bunch of money, you can use the name. Most Dexron VI fluid on the market is marketed as semi-synthetic, it's a combination of Group II and Group III basestock. Then there's Valvoline that's marketed as full synthetic, it's all Group III basestock. You're telling me they are the same? Give me a break.

    SAE sets the viscosity standards (5W-30, 10W-30, etc), you're right, though, API sets performance and additive standards (SJ, SM, etc).

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