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    i was thinking about swapping the trans in my 97 gtp, i have a 98 se with a blown head gasket and was told the non supercharged trans has better gearing. is it worth the work or should i just keep the trans i have in my gtp. (both trans are in great shape) also if i did swap them would i lose the hud?
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    Regulat (gtp) trannys don't work in the GTPs (HD trans) if I remember right
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    ok, thanks.
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    If you swap them it would be wise to also swap the differential. The L36 diff won't hold up to the L67's power.
    Your gearing will be different so this should be programmed into the PCM.

    Edited: Also check to make sure the 97 has the 4T65E-HD transmission. It may be the 4T65E same as the 98 SE.
    Last edited by Rico; 04-20-2012 at 11:31 AM.
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    Hopefully dave from t e p steps in here.

    IIRC, Your 1997 gtp is a vacuum controlled transmission.

    Also, the 98 se may have a 3.1L

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    I know the 97 NA had the 4T60E but what about the 97 GTP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by copgtp View Post
    Hopefully dave from t e p steps in here.

    IIRC, Your 1997 gtp is a vacuum controlled transmission.

    Also, the 98 se may have a 3.1L

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    no, gtps did not use that.
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    Want to save the SE? I'll personally PP you $20 if it's a headgasket. Meanwhile..please read this thread
    http://www.grandprixforums.net/97-03...ure-60667.html

    99% of Na issues that are diagnosed as a head gasket etc, are a bad upper and/or LIM gaskets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmpowered View Post
    no, gtps did not use that.
    So the 97 GTP used the 4T65E-HD or the 4T65E?
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    4T65E HD in 97

    96 Bonneville SSEi, Park Ave Ultra and SC'd Riviera had the 4t60E
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCoyH View Post
    Regulat (gtp) trannys don't work in the GTPs (HD trans) if I remember right
    Yes they will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post
    If you swap them it would be wise to also swap the differential. The L36 diff won't hold up to the L67's power.
    Yes they will.

    But since you already have it you might as well use it.
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    In 4T60's you can't just swap diffs between different years etc. GM was hunting around etc and changed the pitch etc on the pinion often. If you put the wrong pitch diff into a trans..it'll blow the planetaries off in record time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
    In 4T60's you can't just swap diffs between different years etc. GM was hunting around etc and changed the pitch etc on the pinion often. If you put the wrong pitch diff into a trans..it'll blow the planetaries off in record time.
    I thought all 4T65E's were diff swappable. If not then I'm confused.
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    1) the se has the 3800
    2) the gtp has the hud and sport shift so what ever trans that is.
    3) its definitely a blown head gasket, coolant is coming out the exhaust, looks like im driving the batmobile with the smoke screen on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STW View Post
    1) the se has the 3800
    2) the gtp has the hud and sport shift so what ever trans that is.
    3) its definitely a blown head gasket, coolant is coming out the exhaust, looks like im driving the batmobile with the smoke screen on.
    Did you read the link Bill posted?...and rule out the UIM? The symptoms are exactly the same. If it were a head gasket (almost unheard of on the 3800) it probably would have hydrolocked by now.
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    And it'll hydrolock from a UIM/LIM as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt5112 View Post
    And it'll hydrolock from a UIM/LIM as well.
    Severe cases, yup.
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    well i know its the head gasket, because i cooked it playing on the highway, i was racing a friend blew a hole in my rad, it ran dry car overheated and cooked the engine. plus i got mad and burnt the hell out of it. lol
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    sir i ran my car hot 20 times in a night. from a cracked radiator... it took me 3. hours for a 30 minute ride... no exaggeration ... no coolent.. baked the lower intake manifold... i sworn the hg was blown... did a compression test and all were good... changed the lim. gaskets. good to go.. soo dont be so sold on a hg after it ran hot...
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